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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by DFHippie »

anjel wrote: post #596
gogopuppygogo wrote: post #569

I tried to create a throwaway account and comment on a Reddit thread yesterday. It was denied due to lack of karma. A few weeks ago I tried to create a throwaway on Reddit to create a new post but the post was immediately removed due to lack of karma. Twitter now requires I provide a cell phone number to create an account. It throws up on me by suspending my account if a new account is unused for a few days. Requires…

My 11 year old, never posted, seldom used twitter account was suspended last month unless and until I provide my telephone number

I suspect they do this to stem the use of abandoned accounts by bad actors. Emphasis on "suspect" because I don't have a Twitter account or look at tweets unless someone else links to them, and then invariably I still can't see them because I get an error message.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by humanrebar »

jeremyjh wrote: post #449
ekianjo wrote: post #407

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You make it sound that it was not always a thing.

It hasn't always been to this extent. People used to share a same basic set of facts about the world, based "mainstream" news media. Now there is little agreement about basic facts.

Was "mainstream" the natural state of things or an accident of limited amounts of over-the-air bandwidth in the 20th century?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by philjohn »

concordDance wrote: post #586
npsimons wrote: post #489

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> I was banned from r/conservative in a discussion about trump handling the coronavirus seriously. I posted a timeline of quotes from him "only 15 cases soon to be none etc" indicating he had not taken it seriously early. This should be all anyone needs to know about how seriously these groups takes freeze peaches. Look at their actions, not their words.

Um... you don't normally get an objective account of why someone was banned from the banned person in question. Don't just take a claim like this as the whole story, they are generally in "tidied up" form. You'd want the text of the post, the person's posting history on the forum in question, a list of warnings etc and a copy of the forum rules to even approach a reasonable judgement.

They also label most discussions now as "Flaired users only!" and to get flair you have to prove you're a conservative.

It's not about free speech and being oppressed, it's a literal safe space - which is fine, but selling themselves as the opposite of that just makes them look foolish.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by calinet6 »

npsimons wrote: post #583
tomjen3 wrote: post #567

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Reinstitute the draft, or national service where every young kid has to spend a year fighting along side people they didn't know before hand, far from home. Or spend a year traveling the US doing worthwhile projects (fixing up broken jungle gyms in schools) again with people they didn't know. It is a little bit less likely that you dislike heartland America when you spent a year working with Fred the Farmboy before y…

> It is a little bit less likely that you dislike heartland America when you spent a year working with Fred the Farmboy before you headed to Princeton. I find it interesting you choose this as an example, and not rather say that "Fred the Farmboy" might actually see those "librul coastal elites" or "ivory tower intellectuals" as people like himself. The latter are terms I've actually seen used. But on the topic of a…

Both! We all need to understand each other better, and off of the internet.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by calinet6 »

mistermann wrote: post #599
npsimons wrote: post #485

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How do we get back from where we are now ? I have to admit, my social skills are lacking, my patience is low; and the problem just seems so vastly overwhelming that I can't imagine where to even begin.

I suggest that we fully acknowledge in comprehensive, "dimensional & behavioural complexity" , that which lies at the bottom of all of these problems: the human mind . [1] And then, to ensure that all that hard work does not go to waste, modify the HN guidelines (or, introduce a brand new, experimental mode that includes these modified guidelines, to be used when discussing culture-war topics) such that ignoring this…

The problem is not on HN. Making changes here will have precisely zero impact on society.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by Spare_account »

SmokeyHamster wrote: post #417
dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

Yeah, I agree. I still occassionaly read some people I follow on Twitter, but I rarely comment and never read notifications. I also entirely stopped using Reddit for the same reason. IMHO it's even more toxic than Twitter. And don't get me started about Facebook. What is it about politics that takes relatively sane friendly people who you've known for years and transforms them into raging psychopaths? When my own sis…

Every occurrence of "twitter" in the top level comment could have any other social media site substituted and it would read the same and still be entirely accurate (HN is one of the rare exceptions obv.)

I've ditched the lot, deleted my reddit and twitter accounts, configured my pihole to block the domains for the occasions that my willpower fails me and my life has improved dramatically.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by baby »

LatteLazy wrote: post #223

It’s worth noting that the first thing Parler did was start censoring anyone unsupportive of their form of conservatism. They’re not offering freer speech, they’re offering a safe space. Maybe that’s a seller, maybe it’s not, but it’s an important distinction. This is really just /r/conservative taken to its logical conclusion.

I remember the same happening to reddit conservatives floating to voat

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by humanrebar »

threeseed wrote: post #329
wernercd wrote: post #119

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"Twitter gets to have it's say" Free speech is more than just a law... it's an idea and a philosophy. Part of making sure "truth prevails" is having open discourse about topics. That involves people with "Wrong" ideas the ability to talk. When platforms like Facebook and Twitter become the arbiter of what's "right"? Then people will leave those platforms because lawfully they have the "right" to censor their platform…

Facebook and Twitter have the right to free speech as well. But I am assuming that doesn't count in your utopia.

Is their competition a medium like mobile calls and text messages? Or is their competition curated content streams like newspapers or cable news networks?

Legally, maybe the distinction doesn't need to be made, but I think users of social media deserve to know up front what they're in for.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by dane-pgp »

ianai wrote: post #507
npsimons wrote: post #485

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How do we get back from where we are now ? I have to admit, my social skills are lacking, my patience is low; and the problem just seems so vastly overwhelming that I can't imagine where to even begin.

Sever the internet connection to certain, key nations. Or even targeted strike stuff. Foreign propaganda is not to be tolerated as “free speech” like it came from a citizen.

> Sever the internet connection to certain, key nations.

And to nations that have connections to those key nations, right? Because encryption and steganography and VPNs all exist, and the amount of dangerous foreign propaganda in tweets is probably only being generated at a few bytes per minute.

Someone should write a techno-thriller set in your alternate universe where spies are investigating a WiFi connection between north and south Cyprus, with the endpoint in the north connecting via Turkey to Russia, and the endpoint in the south connecting via Ireland to the US. It could be a fun read if you can suspend disbelief.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by mensetmanusman »

LatteLazy wrote: post #223

It’s worth noting that the first thing Parler did was start censoring anyone unsupportive of their form of conservatism. They’re not offering freer speech, they’re offering a safe space. Maybe that’s a seller, maybe it’s not, but it’s an important distinction. This is really just /r/conservative taken to its logical conclusion.

This sounds like fake news.

I doubt the first thing that Parler did was censor anyone, they probably first sent out advertisements to tell people of their existence.

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