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Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by alexilliamson »

vp8989 wrote: post #395
crispyambulance wrote: post #313

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>> [block early, block often] > Doesn't that just reinforce the echo chamber? No, I think there's a big difference between an echo chamber constructed by algorithms that push content upon you without your consent or knowledge, and an "echo chamber" constructed by yourself when you actively curate and trim the media you consume. You and your wife's suggestions are really good ideas, but for them to be effective, it's…

"No, I think there's a big difference between an echo chamber constructed by algorithms that push content upon you without your consent or knowledge, and an "echo chamber" constructed by yourself when you actively curate and trim the media you consume." What is the difference?

I am guessing the difference is the level of control of the echoes.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by joezydeco »

hntossaccount12 wrote: post #296
LatteLazy wrote: post #223

It’s worth noting that the first thing Parler did was start censoring anyone unsupportive of their form of conservatism. They’re not offering freer speech, they’re offering a safe space. Maybe that’s a seller, maybe it’s not, but it’s an important distinction. This is really just /r/conservative taken to its logical conclusion.

I suspect we will continue to see services that unbundle social media's hottest topics. Social media may have created an outrage economy -- a subset of the attention economy. But like ebay, craigslist, etc, the social media platforms' broad focus means their product can't specialize when strong trends emerge. The outrage will be unbundled by niche companies. I actually think this is a good thing. Seeing conspiracy th…

I suspect we will continue to see services that unbundle social media's hottest topics.

I've seen this before with Usenet groups that got too bogged down with infighting and trolls, so splinter groups formed off on handmade vBulletin/phpbb sites or wherever.

They always imploded shortly afterward. A safe space eventually falls to the same splintering, just in more fractal detail.

Some of them survive the implosion and come out of the wreckage in okay condition, but a lot never come back.

Clay called it right, 17 years ago. https://www.gwern.net/docs/technology/2005-shirky-agroupisit...

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by giantg2 »

elorant wrote: post #380
dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

The way I see it, the problem with social media is that you surround yourself with like-minded people, which diminishes your tolerance to different views. People become self righteous and can't take criticism lightly. Compare this to how things were 15 years ago, or how they are in here, where everyone and their dog can challenge your opinion. You become more open minded long term, and can handle criticism in a more…

Except for the people who simply downvote and never explain their position. Plenty of them on here.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by sfkdjf9j3j »

motohagiography wrote: post #422

This is how the internet is supposed to work. Encounters damage, routes around it. Censorship is damage, and people are routing around it. As someone who never engaged with FB/Twitter from the beginning because I thought they were terrible ideas (all the rules, risks, and challenges of elite-level competition with none of the benefits), I was very glad to read this because this kind of divergence is precisely what cr…

OOC are you a Parler user/have you visited the site? If this is a victory for free speech, it's certainly a Pyrrhic one. Twitter and facebook comments seem like the pinnacle of civil discourse next to the stuff I found on Parler just by creating an account and following all the recommended content in the onboarding process.

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Post by spacemanmatt »

Rick1 wrote: post #426
spacemanmatt wrote: post #374

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Not sharp enough to say, vote for a better candidate

Given that both sides managed to provide senile old men I don't think anyone is in a position to point fingers.

"both sides" eh?

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Post by ianai »

npsimons wrote: post #485
calinet6 wrote: post #443

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I think it just delays a bigger problem, kicks the can down the road. In 2-4 years' time, we'll have an even bigger festering cesspool of self-reinforced beliefs than ever before, and an more difficult time having rational discourse among our society about how to run it.

How do we get back from where we are now ? I have to admit, my social skills are lacking, my patience is low; and the problem just seems so vastly overwhelming that I can't imagine where to even begin.

Sever the internet connection to certain, key nations. Or even targeted strike stuff. Foreign propaganda is not to be tolerated as “free speech” like it came from a citizen.

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Post by rektide »

I avoided this discussion like I avoid Parler itself. Hard to imagine an upside.

But there are almost 500 comments and thus far no one has mentioned Dave Troy's unbelievable thread res arching how Parler got started. He very much points out that coverage like NPR gives here, reviewing it as it wants to be seen, carries water for the team, fails a necessary obligation to report on just how shady & murky the founding & running of Parler is.

Until someone gathers better research, this is, by far, the most important write up on Parler. A company with strong ties to russia, trying loudly to undermine the safe harbor & free speech protections we enjoy, & as a company a gathering place for political swindlers & ultrapartisans. This kind of intel on who Parler is is extremely important, at least as much so as who joins & goes there.

The amazing Dave Troy: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1327259427481800704.html

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Post by DoofusOfDeath »

iso1210 wrote: post #354
alkonaut wrote: post #304

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> Doesn't that just reinforce the echo chamber? Yes. Twitter is fantastic only if you accept that you can’t have arguments on it. It’s just not a good idea. But not all conversation requires disagreement. Also: I use Twitter as a news feed. I don’t tweet, just read. For me it’s the successor of rss.

Twitter is the kind of place to tell you SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE MAKES ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS TOFFEE-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!! I'm not sure where John Cleese would be, but I don't think it would help

He unfollowed you when your 5 minutes were up. Good morning.

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Post by stickyricky »

calinet6 wrote: post #431
motohagiography wrote: post #422

This is how the internet is supposed to work. Encounters damage, routes around it. Censorship is damage, and people are routing around it. As someone who never engaged with FB/Twitter from the beginning because I thought they were terrible ideas (all the rules, risks, and challenges of elite-level competition with none of the benefits), I was very glad to read this because this kind of divergence is precisely what cr…

I see it as the opposite: this may be how a technical network is supposed to work, but it's not how a society is supposed to work. The internet has created the ability for any given subculture to discover instant validation and reinforce their beliefs into a tribe, which further solidifies and extremifies those beliefs. It's a psychological power almost equivalent to a nuclear reaction: beliefs and ideas that might h…

> The internet has created the ability for any given subculture to discover instant validation and reinforce their beliefs into a tribe, which further solidifies and extremifies those beliefs.

I don't believe this is true. I remember "Ye Olde Days" (TM) of the Internet. You went to an independent forum or mailing list that supported your interest (video games, music, politics) and then you argued with everyone in your "tribe" about video games and music and politics regardless of the purpose of the forum (which is hilarious and endearing to me). You had friends and you had frenemies but you didn't have strangers. It was nice. It was a community. Some interest brought you all together but you didn't stay there solely for that interest. You stayed for the people.

Now what do we have? Complete corporate domination and centralization. All interests are segmented into hashtags and subreddits but exist in the same super-massive platform. And there conversation is moderated by two entities. Moderators and the mob. There is no community anymore because the community is too fluid and too large (sometimes its everyone on the internet). You don't know the people you argue with. And so argument can never be taken on good faith.

You know, I had more stuff written but can't quite complete the thought in words. I think I'll just make an alternative.

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