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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by strangeloopworm »

adjkant wrote: post #143
robswc wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, I've largely stopped using twitter due to the incessant politics, pretty much what you described above but just in a different flavor. Ironically manipulating elections was one of those "incessant" topics, however it was all coming from a completely different crowd then (around when I left). I also remember seeing a ton of racism against whites and (ironically) anti-semitic comments and conspiracies that…

> pretty much what you described above but just in a different flavor I'd love to see what part of twitter would be merely a different flavor to "Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections". There's an important difference between the mere existence of an echo chamber and the contents of the chamber. Let's not "both sides" this when comparing to anti-semitism.

The part of twitter that believes the real Jews are of African descent would be a good example no? Antisemitism seems one of the few conspiracy theory topics that is prevalent on both sides of the political spectrum, though on the left it seems to mostly come from NOI types or Muslims who take antizionism a little too far.

BLM UK got in a lot of trouble for saying that discussion of antisemitism was being stifled in British politics, and it looks like they still have their twitter account. Nick Cannon looks like he still has his twitter account as well, though his comments were made on air iirc.

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Post by victorbstan »

Bigotry and hate speech should not have a platform. I’ve been reading a lot of comments here and it seems like most of them aren’t even critical or touch on the point of NOT allowing certain kind of speech or false information sharing. In Germany nazi related sympathizing, propaganda is banned from social media. But some how it’s ok in USA? I honestly fail to understand how little criticism there is of unfettered free speech, as if it’s universally a good thing. Same with guns, given overwhelming evidence to the contrary yet still USA sticks to these strange “rights”.

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Post by tosser0001 »

dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

Twitter can feel like YouTube without the videos, just the comments.

I especially despise the “trends” sections. It ignores any keywords and sites that you’ve blocked and seems designed to inflame. Dorsey at one point made a big statement about trying to change the tone but I’ve seen little evidence of it.

I have a small list of people that I actually follow who tend to keep things civil

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by victorbstan »

dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

The best parts for me are speed of news dissemination, like a news headline aggregate. And professional / hobby interests. Those are wholesome.

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Post by raffraffraff »

garmaine wrote: post #167
alkonaut wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s down to who you follow. First, never ever read “trends” or random tweets. Never trust Twitters official app to show you anything useful. Using third party apps also saves you from ads. Second and most importantly, follow a set of users that are interesting, friendly, and who don’t engage publicly with trolls. It’s a magnificent tool for staying up to date with a narrow topic like a niche technology. Just…

Block early, block often. Think twice before following someone.

Doesn't that just reinforce the echo chamber? I don't actually use Twitter or Facebook, and I deleted my Reddit, so I'm not the one to talk. But my wife uses Twitter a lot and has managed to get into conversations that are very hard to keep civil. She has found several approaches that work without blocking.

1. Only enable notifications and DMs from mutual follows. People who get into pile ons don't tend to follow their "arch enemies" to do so (because their followers would not like them to follow "the wrong people"). You have full control over who can pester you.

2. Walk away from conversations if your get harrassed, bored or annoyed, but be clear that you are doing it. "This is going nowhere and it's getting late. I'm muting this thread". Again, you have control. If you imagine getting into a heated debate in the pub, this is the equivalent of leaving the table to talk to another group. It gives you the ability to peacefully walk away, and deny someone the opportunity to keep arguing with you against your will.

3. Realise that people don't change their minds during an argument. Always give them room to back down. A cornered animal will always lash out, and we are just animals.

4. Always be clear and civil. Be generous. Don't assume that people are acting out of malice.

5. In sometime is a toxic person who causes pile ons, quote tweets you, intentionally misrepresents you by cherry picking your comments out of context, doxes etc, block the fuck out of them.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

4bpp wrote: post #66

Relevant SSC article: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ... > The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts ar…

Hopefully, with a new administration, those carriers will be declared “common carriers” and won’t be able to disconnect them. Don’t know if this is ironic or not.

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Post by notahacker »

dimgl wrote: post #230
notahacker wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont think Big Tech got every call right, but I really don't see how they please both sides here. Especially when one side, from the top down, considers everything other than sycophantic praise for its leader to be 'fake news', and the other side has some people opining that even reporting things the other side says without qualification is irresponsible journalism. If anything, I'd say hindsight makes some of thei…

I have to disagree. It’s not about pleasing both sides; it’s about being a fair and unbiased platform. And on that front I think big tech absolutely blew it this time across the board. Our society is fractured. There is so much hate and whining online. So much righteousness and loathing. And big tech has only amplified the problem. At times they even fan the flames, what with dubious fact checkers and their “hate spe…

I mean, I was replying to someone who defined their failure explicitly in terms of it pissing off both sides. Which was always going to happen, unless they unequivocally took one side.

But I have absolutely no doubt that whatever you consider to be 'fair and unbiased' others will regard as unfair, unbalanced and unpleasant.

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Post by eznzt »

wpdev_63 wrote: post #192

I thought the alternative to twitter would be maston[0]. It's 'uncensored' federated twitter clone that anyone can create a node and create a social community of their choosing. Not sure how "Parler" is going to be better than twitter with a central point of failure. More political fodder I guess. [0]: https://mastodon.social/about

In Mastodon, at least if you want to be part of the "main" fediverse, you have to censor even more people than Twitter.
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