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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by wernercd »

berkes wrote: post #148
wernercd wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Twitter gets to have it's say" Free speech is more than just a law... it's an idea and a philosophy. Part of making sure "truth prevails" is having open discourse about topics. That involves people with "Wrong" ideas the ability to talk. When platforms like Facebook and Twitter become the arbiter of what's "right"? Then people will leave those platforms because lawfully they have the "right" to censor their platform…

What place does someone with the delusion that '2+2=7' have in 'prevailing the Truth'. Such a person only frustrates that search for truth. They don't make the outcome faster, easier or more true, do they?

What place does "russian collusion" have? because "2+2=7" is provably true/false... but Russian collusion? not so much... meanwhile, it's "truth" that's allowed to be spoken of without repercussion...

Because life isn't as simple as "2+2=7"... it's opinions and people saying "my opinion is valid and yours is banned from open discussion".

Because I can find plenty of examples of stuff that isn't as clear as flat-earthers or pizzagate that's being blocked from public discorse.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by wpdev_63 »

I thought the alternative to twitter would be maston[0]. It's 'uncensored' federated twitter clone that anyone can create a node and create a social community of their choosing.

Not sure how "Parler" is going to be better than twitter with a central point of failure. More political fodder I guess.

[0]:https://mastodon.social/about

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by joshuamorton »

wernercd wrote: post #123
joshuamorton wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, it’s not like Clinton didn’t spend four years “disputing ... democracy.” See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trum ... I don't believe Clinton ever attacked the integrity of the election process itself. She did claim (and as far as I'm aware the investigations more or less supported the claims) that the Trump campaign colluded with foreign governments to influence the election.

"colluded with foreign governments" Russia Collusion itself is an attack on the legitimacy of Trumps presidency - just like election fraud is an attack on the legitimacy of a Biden presidency.

The muller report found collusion between the trump campaign and the Russian government. It also found obstruction of justice by both the Trump campaign and Trump Whitehouse. What is up for discussion is if it found criminal collusion on the part of Trump, which it might have but stopped short of explicitly stating for political, not criminal, reasons (Muller did not feel he was able to indict a sitting president).

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by eptcyka »

hooande wrote: post #179
dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

if twitter is so bad, why do you keep using it?

Ever tried smoking?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by joshuamorton »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #185
wernercd wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"colluded with foreign governments" Russia Collusion itself is an attack on the legitimacy of Trumps presidency - just like election fraud is an attack on the legitimacy of a Biden presidency.

This is actually true (god I hate agreeing with Trump/the GOP). Collusion was not proven, and the left-wing media went completely overboard on this. Did Russia want Hillary Clinton to lose? Yes. Did the Trump campaign meet with Russian operatives? Yes. Did they collude with Russians? No, not in a legal sense. Was the determining factor in the election Russian interference? No, it was almost certainly the NYT covering…

> Was the determining factor in the election Russian interference? No, it was almost certainly the NYT covering the James Comey investigation into Hillary's emails in the last week.

Keep in mind the entire Hillary's emails thing may have stemmed from Russian foreign intelligence work.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by Gene_Parmesan »

least wrote: post #33

When "free speech" is the primary selling point of a social media website, it tends to only attract people who feel slighted by the platform they're migrating from. Unfortunately this has the opposite effect of Parler's stated goal of being "the world's town square" since it simply isn't attractive to people with opposing views of those who did move. I think free speech is important and I think that social media plat…

It's a shame, but it really does feel like "free speech" has become a near dog-whistle. Almost any time I hear of a service billing itself with free speech as a primary selling point, a quick visit is more than enough to turn me off of ever returning.

Besides this, there's a clear feedback loop that happens regardless of the intent of the service's creators. The people most likely to get kicked off of social media platforms nowadays seem to be far-right kooks. So when they are looking for a new platform, they'll go somewhere that advertises for no moderation. What happens next is pretty obvious; the more those sort of people migrate to the service, the more visible their content will be to any visitor. And that content tends to be pretty effective at driving away non-kooky users, which leads to a reinforcing cycle that, over time, turns you into yet another take on Voat.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by JamesBarney »

nostromo wrote: post #90
joshuamorton wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So are you claiming that Clinton's suggestion that we wait until absentee ballots are included before letting someone claim victory is "disputing ... democracy", or are you trying to change the subject to something else?

Nobody is “disputing democracy” at this point. Bush vs Gore took an entire month to sort out. Hillary said this might drag out for a while... and she was right, it is. That’s fine. We have a process for this; no need to be melodramatic. Biden has almost assuredly won, but first there will be some court cases and recounts simply because it was extremely close. That’s a good thing for Democracy.

This election wasn't extremely close. It was a clear Biden win, it just took a week to count all the mail in ballots and figure that out.

There've been 6 elections over the last ~20 years.

Popular vote count

1. Obama-08 7.27%

2. Obama-12 3.86%

3. Biden-20 3.4%

4. Bush-04 2.46%

5. Bush-00 −0.51%

6. Trump-16 −2.09%

By Elector College

1. Obama-12 365

2. Obama-16 332

3. Biden-20 306

4. Trump-16 302

5. Bush-04 286

6. Bush-00 271

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by joshuamorton »

Veen wrote: post #168
joshuamorton wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is certainly a line of thinking. Of course the alternative is: 1. Tech platforms were too slow with limiting extremist viewpoints 2. Instead of keeping extremist views isolated, this allowed them to pick up more support. These groups continue to move more and more extreme, and more popular. 3. Delays in taking action to prevent the spread of these views allowed the combination of extremism and popular support th…

I agreed with you until the last paragraph, where it became clear that your problem isn’t with extreme views in general, just the sort of extreme views Trump is likely to endorse. That’s exactly the bias that people behind Parler aim to exploit (or provide an escape from, depending on your view)

I was discussing the exact same set of views as the parent: those espoused on "Parler, TheDonald, etc" (and also subtly objecting to the parent's proposed timeline. The_donald started self-radicalizing long before it was quarantined. In fact, it was the radicalization that took place in the Donald that led to its subsequent quarantine and removal).

I certainly do take issue with extreme views on the other side, but those views are usually things like crystal healing, not Coups.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

dannyw wrote: post #19

1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. 2. Instead of changing people’s minds (isn’t the evidence overwhelmingly conclusive that people rarely change political viewpoints?), people flock to “community bubbles” like Parler, TheDonald, etc where they feel welcome. 3. This marginalisation leads to increasing extremism; going from the li…

I wouldn't downplay where they were in 2016. TD was crawling with things like Pinochet helicopter kill all leftists, celebrating punching protestors. Their "community bubbles" were never a place to respectfully disagree about immigration policy which you can and always have been able to do on whatever platform you like.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by chrisseaton »

garmaine wrote: post #167
alkonaut wrote: post #128

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I think it’s down to who you follow. First, never ever read “trends” or random tweets. Never trust Twitters official app to show you anything useful. Using third party apps also saves you from ads. Second and most importantly, follow a set of users that are interesting, friendly, and who don’t engage publicly with trolls. It’s a magnificent tool for staying up to date with a narrow topic like a niche technology. Just…

Block early, block often. Think twice before following someone.

People seem to get furious about being blocked. I’ve seen people post publicly the name of the person who blocked them demanding an explanation. It seems to escalate things rather than calm them down.
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