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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by 4bpp »

julienreszka wrote: post #114
4bpp wrote: post #66

Relevant SSC article: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ... > The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts ar…

America was created by people who fled persecution, and turned out pretty well. It is the most attractive country on earth. What are you talking about?

I mean, the implications of having "seven zillion witches" clearly depend on what the witches being hunted in question are. Over the duration of America's existence, waves of immigrants arrived from Europe for reasons ranging from belonging to an extreme and/or politically undesirable religious movement, plain poverty, or finding themselves on the wrong side of a war or ethnic cleansing. When Europe decided that it would persecute Jews, the place that did not perform Jew-hunts did probably in fact attract innumerably many more Jews than people who opposed persecution of Jews on principle; it's just that the hyperbolic "seven zillion Jews" did not turn out to be detrimental to a locale's flourishing in a way that the witches of legend are assumed to be in the metaphor.

(On the other hand, one could argue that the seven zillion persecuted religious fanatics that formed many of the earlier strata of immigrants did in fact have an adverse effect on the country where they got concentrated. Is the provenance of midwestern millenarians, https://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/19/open_the_gates_that_t..., Scientology and other UFO cults entirely coincidental?)

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by bosswipe »

jonnybgood wrote: post #86
briantakita wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the source post https://parler.com/post/6e474ef190344fdbab8557b3ebf85ade

She later posted: "My father, Robert Mercer, has neither involvement with, nor ownership of, Parler." https://parler.com/post/90d032f4e22243fd82f7dd9a5b27208d

She runs the Mercer Family Foundation through which her father donated over $100million to rightwing propaganda causes. Point being that they work closely together and have shared ideologies.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by cm2187 »

refurb wrote: post #121
ceilingcorner wrote: post #98

Big Tech and Big Media really overplayed their hand this time, IMO. Millions and millions of people are now skeptical and looking for an alternative, even from Fox News. It might not be to Parler, or to the next site after that, but fragmentation will continue to happen. Facebook and media at large only have power if they have viewers, which is a far less stable resource than iron, or oil, or other corporate mainstay…

I have to agree that big tech really messed this one up. Their attempt at regulating speech on their platforms (entirely their own right to do however they want) has resulted in both sides being pissed . I had commented on this a while ago that it was like War Games - the only way to win this game was not to play at all. The second they started being the arbitrator of speech they were guaranteed to piss people off. T…

Except one side is pissed at them not doing it enough while the other is pissed at being on the receiving side of the censorship. There is a party of authoritarianism at the moment.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by refurb »

renewiltord wrote: post #70

No one wants to spend time on the Internet listening to a bunch of randos talking about how the Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections except other such crackpots. These platforms are lightning rods. Let these people go there and convince each other of their fringe conspiracy theories. Freedom of association and all that. If they will stop polluting normal places with their crackpottery we're all…

Well that's a charitable way to talk about the 70M American who voted Republican.

This is always a good rule - when your theory is that half of the population are "crack pots", the issue might be you, not them.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by pjc50 »

dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

Via Twitter, ironically:

> "Wonder if shaping discourse via a site where performativity is rewarded, single lines can be taken out of context from qualifying threads and piled on, pithy takes are amplified over nuance, and everyone is either Good or Bad, was overall a positive or negative development"

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by alkonaut »

ardy42 wrote: post #57
dannyw wrote: post #19

1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. 2. Instead of changing people’s minds (isn’t the evidence overwhelmingly conclusive that people rarely change political viewpoints?), people flock to “community bubbles” like Parler, TheDonald, etc where they feel welcome. 3. This marginalisation leads to increasing extremism; going from the li…

> 1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. For the most part, those "viewpoints" are verifiable falsehoods, conspiracy theories, and other types of disinformation and misinformation. For instance, the recent migrations to Parler are chiefly people who want to deny the legitimate US presidential election result and spread false claims…

I agree, but the situation is symmetrical. Parler is removing liberal memes (unsure if it’s automatic moderation after flagging - but that doesn’t really matter as the outcome is the same).

We know which side is crazy though.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by pestaa »

julienreszka wrote: post #114
4bpp wrote: post #66

Relevant SSC article: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ... > The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts ar…

America was created by people who fled persecution, and turned out pretty well. It is the most attractive country on earth. What are you talking about?

Most attractive country? This is the particular crap only an American would say.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by cm2187 »

wernercd wrote: post #111
renewiltord wrote: post #70

No one wants to spend time on the Internet listening to a bunch of randos talking about how the Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections except other such crackpots. These platforms are lightning rods. Let these people go there and convince each other of their fringe conspiracy theories. Freedom of association and all that. If they will stop polluting normal places with their crackpottery we're all…

"Fringe conspiracy theories" instead, you can stay on the "main sites" and get mainstream conspiracy theories about Russia and Racist White People.

No right now it seems to be about Trump preparing the advent of the third reich.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by pjc50 »

AntiImperialist wrote: post #129
alphabettsy wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Donald Trump launched his campaign he said; “ When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” How else is one to take this? He said some are good people…

He was specifically talking about Mexicans crossing the border illegally. Are you saying majority of people who cross the border illegally are good people? Most "good people" don't have to cross the border illegally. They can get a U.S. visa and never leave. The people who will definitely not get a U.S. visa to do that is those have a criminal record in their own country, so their only option is to cross the border i…

Very few people can get US visas without work sponsorship. The green cards are rationed, aren't they?

Similarly, there is little proof that a significant fraction of the people crossing the border have criminal records for things other than immigration law.

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