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Intel's disruption is now complete

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Re: Intel's disruption is now complete

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The idea it's recommending a 3600 over a 10600k for a thousand dollar build tells me there's a slant...

5600x is in the same price range and a no-brainer, once stock stabilizes. There's no sense in intel right now when doing a new build.

> Once stock stabilizes

Giant asterisk during a global pandemic no?

And that's paying $50 more than what is apparently already too much for almost equivalent gaming performance (slightly better after overclocking and the motherboard and cooler priced in above support that too)

Re: Intel's disruption is now complete

#522

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The cheapest 3600 in stock is $80 cheaper than the cheapest 10600k from the same retailer. And they've has offered the 10600k with a $20 rebate on motherboards for months now... $50 should come straight the case which is totally overshooting for a budget PC (I recommend the 300L here) That leaves you with a 10 dollar difference for an CPU that competes with the i9 in gaming... - And by the way, even the next build up…

Well, but you want to spend money on the GPU if you care about gaming. Consider these two builds: 1. Ryzen 5 2600 ($150) + RTX 3070 ($500) for $650 2. i5-10900k ($280) + RX 5700XT ($330) for $610 The first build with the RTX 3070 is far better. The RTX 3070 buys you into 1440p high/ultra @ 90+ FPS, or 4k med/high @ 60+ FPS. Will the 2600 bottleneck that GPU? Maybe, but you still get better performance for the price b…

Who said anything about cutting GPU performance?

Also your comparisons are quite poor... 2600 shouldn't even be in the running here, the 3070 would be held back from doing the thing it does best, high FPS 1440p (in actual games mind you, not just CS:GO)

Re: Intel's disruption is now complete

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Thank you for the link. That article says the cpu has a 630 op reorder buffer. Does that mean it has to throw out up to 630 instructions on a mispredict? That sounds huge, so I wonder if I’m misunderstanding.

Imagine a cpu that executed this sequence of instructions: r1 = r2 * r3 r2 = r3 * r4 r3 = r4 * r5 r4 = r5 * r6 On a first glance it might seem that the execution order matters because if you reorder lines in this source coxe the meaning indeed changes (e.g. the first instructions depends on an input in r2 but r2 gets a new value in the second instruction). But if you rewrite the names of the registers (variables) and…

Nice explanation. Wouldn’t mind reading more.

Re: Intel's disruption is now complete

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As I've linked to many times on HN: The Iron Law of Bureaucracy > Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people": > First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricu…

This law is the reason term-limits and liquid-democracy are such strong tools. Term limits are best implemented where someone must take on a different job every x years. This doesn't solve the problem of entrenched vampiric bureaucrats entirely, but it at least pushes them towards the chopping block. Liquid democracy is a type of democracy where people give their voting power for particular issues to whoever they tru…

Term limits are a terrible idea. They reduce the power and expertise of elected representatives in favor of the permanent government, civil service and lobbyists. On top of that they encourage corrupt behavior as you know you’re not getting elected so there is no reason not to beyond the threat of legal consequences.

> Disentangling Accountability and Competence in Elections: Evidence from U.S. Term Limits

> We exploit variation in U.S. gubernatorial term limits across states and time to empirically estimate two separate effects of elections on government performance. Holding tenure in office constant, differences in performance by reelection-eligible and term-limited incumbents identify an accountability effect: reelection-eligible governors have greater incentives to exert costly effort on behalf of voters. Holding term-limit status constant, differences in performance by incumbents in different terms identify a competence effect: later-term incumbents are more likely to be competent both because they have survived reelection and because they have experience in office. We show that economic growth is higher and taxes, spending, and borrowing costs are lower under reelection- eligible incumbents than under term-limited incumbents (accountability), and under reelected incumbents than under first-term incumbents (competence), all else equal. In addition to improving our understanding of the role of elections in representative democracy, these findings resolve an empirical puzzle about the disappearance of the effect of term limits on gubernatorial performance over time.

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/9639960/Alt_Dise...

Re: Intel's disruption is now complete

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> But is there empirical evidence for it? And a rational explanation behind it? I don't have empirical evidence for it, but I can take a stab at a rational explanation. The second group faces no opposition in their pursuit for control of the organization and its processes. At best, members of that group will fight among themselves, but certainly won't find resistance from the first group. Control over various parts o…

Workers may, indeed, offer resistance against the second group.

By the time when the administration takes hold(due to legal, management or investor requirements) - workers are less than likely to care.

I work in one of those organizations (US legal requirements make it a nightmare)... I even have stock incentives, and I couldn't care less.

Re: Intel's disruption is now complete

#526

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The cheapest 3600 in stock is $80 cheaper than the cheapest 10600k from the same retailer. And they've has offered the 10600k with a $20 rebate on motherboards for months now... $50 should come straight the case which is totally overshooting for a budget PC (I recommend the 300L here) That leaves you with a 10 dollar difference for an CPU that competes with the i9 in gaming... - And by the way, even the next build up…

You're missing the 5000 series Ryzens, which they just updated this for. The difference is key.

I'm not seeing any listing for 5000 series in the 1k price range, and the 10600k is actually in stock at or below MSRP...

Meanwhile it trades blows with the 5600X unless you're making a 7zip decompression and Cinebench rendering mule...

I'm guessing that's why they're not recommended? Being able to actually get the CPU is pretty important...

Re: Intel's disruption is now complete

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People root for anything-but-intel because competition is a good thing and intel had none for very long time. I don't know where the notion of "Intel is about to die and TMSC will make us suffer due to monopoly" comes from but before having people cheer for Intel again they probably need some time to have their execs cure some disease in some poor part of the world, do a few AMAs on reddit, open-source something, don…

> TMSC will make us suffer due to monopoly The fears have less to do with TSMC the company and more the fact it's a pawn in the geopolitical chess game between the US (and her pacific allies) and China. The issues with supply chains through Taiwan have little to do with whether gamers are buying their CPUs from AMD or Intel, but the fact that a critical piece of infrastructure in the Western economy is very precariou…

Sounds like US screw up to prevent a monopoly which is being broken by an outsider, now complaining that there are no western alternatives to the outsider.

Anyway, the machinery that TSMC is using is produced in Netherlands AFAIK. US should be fine, there's a lot of capital available to buy the machinery, recruit the talent and build the Fabs if it comes to TSMC not being reliable partner at some point.

Re: Intel's disruption is now complete

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As someone who worked on Intel's phone chip: we definitely didn't win it. We fucked it up twelve ways to Sunday. Why: giant egos. There were turf wars between Austin, Santa Clara and Israel over who would design it, and the team that won out had long since lost its best principle engineers and had no clue how to spin the architecture to meet the design win. Otellini's hindsight hedge is pure spin: we knew the landing…

I have a theory about why turf wars like this happens: the more successful and wealthy an entity, the greater opportunity there is for a manager to take wealth instead of make it. When you’re scrappy and broke, the only path to success is to make the company successful. When the company is rich and multitudinous, an individual can gain more from politics and turf wars rather than actually trying to push an already hi…

What you're saying might/might not be true in general, but it is not relevant to Intel. Intel has for decades had internal teams compete. It's a purposeful choice that they stuck with despite despite the numerous times it has failed them, the blood on the floor, and the departure of engineers they wanted to keep.

Re: Intel's disruption is now complete

#529

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This law is the reason term-limits and liquid-democracy are such strong tools. Term limits are best implemented where someone must take on a different job every x years. This doesn't solve the problem of entrenched vampiric bureaucrats entirely, but it at least pushes them towards the chopping block. Liquid democracy is a type of democracy where people give their voting power for particular issues to whoever they tru…

Term limits are a terrible idea. They reduce the power and expertise of elected representatives in favor of the permanent government, civil service and lobbyists. On top of that they encourage corrupt behavior as you know you’re not getting elected so there is no reason not to beyond the threat of legal consequences. > Disentangling Accountability and Competence in Elections: Evidence from U.S. Term Limits > We explo…

A: Power corrupts - is not a joke. Reelection doesn't prevent corruption at all. It's a complete non-factor.

B: Elected officials are supposed to be the overseeing representatives, rather than functional executives.(think board vs C-suite). Elected executive is overall a poor idea.

Re: Intel's disruption is now complete

#530

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That's obvious but doesn't explain why some organizations are vulnerable to it while others aren't.

Wasn’t meaning to be cheeky. Have been thinking about this for a few years and those are observations that took a while. There’s analogies to building institutions in developing countries. See the constitution in the Ukraine (I think) or South Africa. Ginsberg commented publicly and Brayer agreed with (at a talk I attended) from a “source code” perspective those constitutions are superior to the American one. Sort of…

Constitutions are just pieces of paper. If people don't uphold them - they aren't worth the paper...

You could have a constitution that says - everyone is free and we decide how to govern ourselves voluntarily.... And still get a country like Switzerland.

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