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Google plays ball with carriers to kill tethering apps

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Re: Google plays ball with carriers to kill tethering apps

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Why do carriers care if I'm accessing my paid-for data via the phone's interface or a tethered computer? It makes no sense to me.

Because they havent got nearly as much capacity as they sell.

I think that's secondary to them not wanting you to do something for free that they would like to be charging you to do.

Re: Google plays ball with carriers to kill tethering apps

#22

Can someone explain why the carriers even care? Bandwidth is bandwidth; isn't it?

Price discrimination. Some people are willing to pay more while others aren't. If you can find a way to charge extra to those that will pay more, or less to those that can't afford it at the higher price, without letting people jump between tariffs to make a mockery of your scheme then you can increase your total profit and better serve your customer base. You can use the same system to more efficiently gouge a captive audience as well though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination

Re: Google plays ball with carriers to kill tethering apps

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post #10

Tethering is built into Android from Version 2.3 (or even 2.3), no marketplace apps needed. Anyway, I don't understand what Google is supposed to do if carriers choose to disable it. Maybe customers should be looking into other carriers if they don't like the way their carriers conduct business.

This is all true, but completely orthogonal to the story.

Re: Google plays ball with carriers to kill tethering apps

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post #10

Tethering is built into Android from Version 2.3 (or even 2.3), no marketplace apps needed. Anyway, I don't understand what Google is supposed to do if carriers choose to disable it. Maybe customers should be looking into other carriers if they don't like the way their carriers conduct business.

It was there in "stock" 2.2 as well, on the Nexus One --- but disabled in almost all carrier builds.

And Google does have some leverage, if they choose to use it, in the Market compatibility requirements --- there are minimum requirements for both hardware and software if you want to get the Market, or Google's other proprietary apps. (Which, say, the Nook Color flunks --- no camera.) It might be a bridge too far for some of the carriers, but from the outside, it's not obvious that they're trying.

(And looking for other carriers is not a hugely practical option in an environment where there are basically four, and the one with the most generally consumer-friendly policies, T-mobile, is up for buyout by the one with the least, AT&T, which is the only one to ban sideloading altogether.)

Re: Google plays ball with carriers to kill tethering apps

#25

Why do carriers care if I'm accessing my paid-for data via the phone's interface or a tethered computer? It makes no sense to me.

Combination of two factors. A) the obvious one, that they are overselling their network capacity; and B) that given A, it is much better to reclaim bandwidth by fucking over the 0.1% of tetherers by discriminating against them at the margin than it is to fuck over 100% of normal users by throttling/changing pricing plans/etc.

The carriers have put themselves into a corner where they have to make someone unhappy. All customers are paying the same $30/mo. Given the choice what would you rather do, make 10 of them unhappy or 1000 of them? Subscriber volume is your lifeblood, it's a numbers game.

Re: Google plays ball with carriers to kill tethering apps

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The Galaxy S goes beyond tethering and has a Mobile AP feature which just turns the phone into a wifi access point that runs NAT in front of the 3g modem. People I know who still have 'unlimited' data plans have used this for weeks to provide internet to their whole household in the absence of working cable. I assume this feature is removed in the US carrier-modified firmware builds?

My Desire HD does that as well, as do most (all?) other Android mobiles I've seen in Greece. However, we don't have unlimited data plans, we only have ones that cost 0.10 cents (yes, cents, apparently) per megabyte for overage.

€1 per gigabyte is pretty reasonable as overage charges go...

Re: Google plays ball with carriers to kill tethering apps

#28

Why do carriers care if I'm accessing my paid-for data via the phone's interface or a tethered computer? It makes no sense to me.

The real reason is that for years they have overcharged corporate customers for tethering plans and they don't want to lose that revenue. Same reason why sms is so expensive per GB, basically because they can.

Re: Google plays ball with carriers to kill tethering apps

#29
This isn't that new; PDANet has been blocked on AT&T in this manner for at least a year (from my experience having tried to download it when I first got an N1). Searching for it in the Market yielded nothing when an AT&T SIM was in the phone.

On my N1 the easy solution to the block was just to power down the phone, pull the SIM, then access the market over wifi. All those carrier blocked apps suddenly reappeared. I don't know if carrier locked phones still "remember" their carrier when you pull the SIM, though, and in any case I guess you're stuck with sideloading on those non-LTE Verizon devices where there's no SIM to remove.

Re: Google plays ball with carriers to kill tethering apps

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post #10

Tethering is built into Android from Version 2.3 (or even 2.3), no marketplace apps needed. Anyway, I don't understand what Google is supposed to do if carriers choose to disable it. Maybe customers should be looking into other carriers if they don't like the way their carriers conduct business.

There are no carriers in the US that don't play these games. Sprint is a little better about not limiting the stuff they label as Unlimited, but they still charge for tethering, have absurd overage fees if you're not on an unlimited plan, and still have Sprint/OEM specific Android builds.
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