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Re: Popular Pirate Sites ‘Disappear’ from DuckDuckGo’s Top Search Results

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Post by disown »

valec wrote: post #26
disown wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One thing I found is how bad ddg is at removing conspiracy theories and other misinformation. Can't be any worse than google since they give preferential treatment to conspiracy theorists like CNN, MBNBC, Foxnews, etc. > For instance, search "are vaccines dangerous", google replies with .org and .gov sites So google should just push government and special interest groups funded by the wealthy? > Even if you search…

> conspiracy theorists like CNN, MBNBC ??? >let google just show government sites. Big Brother knows best. .org is not a government domain. even so, maybe if they and other tech companies had done this earlier we wouldn't have gotten into this trump + coronavirus mess

> ???

Exactly. This is the problem with the country. Half the crazies believe one set of conspiracies is the truth and the other half believe in another set of conspiracies.

> .org is not a government domain.

Right, I said they were special interests funded by the wealthy.

> maybe if they and other tech companies had done this earlier we wouldn't have gotten into this trump + coronavirus mess

Right... And in a few years, the other half of the crazies will be talking about the biden mess.

Half the morons the last 4 years, Trump stole the election. Half the morons now, Biden stole the election. Figure it out.

That anyone would defend any mainstream media after the last 4 years is being intentionally blind. Right or left.

Re: Popular Pirate Sites ‘Disappear’ from DuckDuckGo’s Top Search Results

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Post by anaganisk »

criddell wrote: post #29
miked85 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want a search engine removing whatever they deem a "conspiracy theory" or "misinformation". I can decide on my own.

Isn't that essentially saying you don't want your search engine ranking by relevance and quality?

Quality, the same "AI" recommends me irrelevant videos, cant recognise me as a human if i log in from any browser other than chrome, and that issues takedowns randomly for users. The ine that spams, pinterest like shit site quality on front page. Yeah, no, I dont want it to decide.

Re: Popular Pirate Sites ‘Disappear’ from DuckDuckGo’s Top Search Results

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

criddell wrote: post #29
miked85 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want a search engine removing whatever they deem a "conspiracy theory" or "misinformation". I can decide on my own.

Isn't that essentially saying you don't want your search engine ranking by relevance and quality?

These days big tech seems to be focused on hiding certain information from users, herding them into a certain echo-chamber.

No thanks, I'd rather think for myself.

Re: Popular Pirate Sites ‘Disappear’ from DuckDuckGo’s Top Search Results

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Post by aezakmi »

bko wrote: post #4

I made an app that lets you compare duck-duck-go results with that of google, side by side [0][1]. One thing I found is how bad ddg is at removing conspiracy theories and other misinformation. Google is, for better or for worse, much more managed. For instance, search "are vaccines dangerous", google replies with .org and .gov sites, while ddg promotes dangersofvaccines.com. Even if you search "dangers of vaccines" i…

How on Earth are people like you allowed to breathe. You're worse than cattle.

Re: Popular Pirate Sites ‘Disappear’ from DuckDuckGo’s Top Search Results

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Post by tialaramex »

miked85 wrote: post #23
bko wrote: post #4

I made an app that lets you compare duck-duck-go results with that of google, side by side [0][1]. One thing I found is how bad ddg is at removing conspiracy theories and other misinformation. Google is, for better or for worse, much more managed. For instance, search "are vaccines dangerous", google replies with .org and .gov sites, while ddg promotes dangersofvaccines.com. Even if you search "dangers of vaccines" i…

I don't want a search engine removing whatever they deem a "conspiracy theory" or "misinformation". I can decide on my own.

> I can decide on my own

What tests have you done to confirm that you're actually any good at this?

Or is the idea that you'd actively prefer to have your life ruined by misinformation than admit you might not have the best ability to distinguish - like the way some people would prefer to be crippled or maimed than accept safety protection on dangerous machinery because they find it emasculating?

Re: Popular Pirate Sites ‘Disappear’ from DuckDuckGo’s Top Search Results

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Post by intricatedetail »

criddell wrote: post #29
miked85 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want a search engine removing whatever they deem a "conspiracy theory" or "misinformation". I can decide on my own.

Isn't that essentially saying you don't want your search engine ranking by relevance and quality?

Relevance and quality are subjective.

Re: Popular Pirate Sites ‘Disappear’ from DuckDuckGo’s Top Search Results

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Post by hiccuphippo »

anaganisk wrote: post #32
criddell wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that essentially saying you don't want your search engine ranking by relevance and quality?

Quality, the same "AI" recommends me irrelevant videos, cant recognise me as a human if i log in from any browser other than chrome, and that issues takedowns randomly for users. The ine that spams, pinterest like shit site quality on front page. Yeah, no, I dont want it to decide.

The first thing I do when searching for images is `-site:pinterest.com` The quality of results increases immensely.

Re: Popular Pirate Sites ‘Disappear’ from DuckDuckGo’s Top Search Results

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Post by intricatedetail »

textgel wrote: post #13
bko wrote: post #11

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I agree in general. But what if I did want to know if vaccines are dangerous, so I search "are vaccines dangerous". If I want to find an anti-vaccine site, I should be able to do so, but the search term "are vaccines dangerous" should be viewed neutrally, in which case I would find links from cdc or .gov sites to be more useful that anti-vaccines sites

That's fair; I suppose it's inevitable that search engines move more in a similar direction to what we know as the main high street when it comes to high profile searches, keeping more mainstream stuff while losing the off the wall areas but it does seem a shame to loose some of the weirder side streets in the process (the sort of weirdness from the early 2000s internet for example).

It's a bad idea. There are examples where mainstream was wrong. Usually when it's about big money. E.g. decades of anti-cannabis propaganda.

Re: Popular Pirate Sites ‘Disappear’ from DuckDuckGo’s Top Search Results

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Post by cdirkx »

mellosouls wrote: post #6
bko wrote: post #4

I made an app that lets you compare duck-duck-go results with that of google, side by side [0][1]. One thing I found is how bad ddg is at removing conspiracy theories and other misinformation. Google is, for better or for worse, much more managed. For instance, search "are vaccines dangerous", google replies with .org and .gov sites, while ddg promotes dangersofvaccines.com. Even if you search "dangers of vaccines" i…

Speaking as somebody who goes with mainstream expert opinion by default, I nevertheless think there's enough censorship from the big tech providers, at the very least let's have such "filter out stuff that annoys us" initiatives as optional.

In the settings on search they currently only have the option "hide explicit results"; that could be expanded to give users control over the filters used.

Re: Popular Pirate Sites ‘Disappear’ from DuckDuckGo’s Top Search Results

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Post by miked85 »

tialaramex wrote: post #35
miked85 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want a search engine removing whatever they deem a "conspiracy theory" or "misinformation". I can decide on my own.

> I can decide on my own What tests have you done to confirm that you're actually any good at this? Or is the idea that you'd actively prefer to have your life ruined by misinformation than admit you might not have the best ability to distinguish - like the way some people would prefer to be crippled or maimed than accept safety protection on dangerous machinery because they find it emasculating?

> What tests have you done to confirm that you're actually any good at this?

I can figure it out. I don't need to get information filtered by people who think they know what is best for everyone (else). This is what China does.

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