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Empathy and perspective taking: How social skills are built

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Re: Empathy and perspective taking: How social skills are built

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"Being able to feel empathy and to take in the other person's perspective – these are two abilities through which we understand what is going on in the other person's mind." How about being able to feel oneself and take one's own perspective, for a change. What a strange world, where every one takes someone else's perspective.

Always count on HN to provide plenty of arguments against empathy

Re: Empathy and perspective taking: How social skills are built

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This article is like a biological description of how muscles grow. People interested in getting stronger will benefit more from an exercise plan. They still have to exercise, but at least they'll know what to do. If your interest is developing your empathy and other social skills, the answer is through practice, as with any other performance-based skills. You can develop empathy with practice, just like charisma, pat…

I like what you offer, but your website could use some work. The video and annoying (2 times?) sign up dialogs are not responsive on my phone. Meant as constructive feedback.

I consider feedback a gift, so appreciate it. As the podcast has grown into a non-profit, which we plan to spin off to its own site, I plan to simplify my personal site. I expect to resolve such issues in the simplification.

Re: Empathy and perspective taking: How social skills are built

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"Being able to feel empathy and to take in the other person's perspective – these are two abilities through which we understand what is going on in the other person's mind." How about being able to feel oneself and take one's own perspective, for a change. What a strange world, where every one takes someone else's perspective.

Humans are pretty good at taking our own perspectives. If everyone did that instead of empathizing with others, our conversations would all run in circles and we would be an even more polarized society.

I'd say, we converse with others, so that we could be more polarized / differentiated with respect to others. Only then we can have our own perspectives. Until that, we run in circles.

Re: Empathy and perspective taking: How social skills are built

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"Being able to feel empathy and to take in the other person's perspective – these are two abilities through which we understand what is going on in the other person's mind." How about being able to feel oneself and take one's own perspective, for a change. What a strange world, where every one takes someone else's perspective.

Always count on HN to provide plenty of arguments against empathy

"Empathy - the ability to share someone else's feelings or experiences by imagining what it would be like to be in that person's situation" I'd risk a statement, that it is actually impossible to take someone's else position. What one can do is precisely this - imagining someone's else position, which is a fiction (fueled by so called good intentions).

Re: Empathy and perspective taking: How social skills are built

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I wonder if technology won't actually help us ameliorate this issue. Improvements in video communication — availability, ease of use, quality, ubiquity — make establishing empathetic connections easier. And there's a lot of room for improvement! (Latency is my biggest pet peeve.)

Would be interesting to experiment with a forum that only works with video. Particularly if the video recorder starts when you are playing a 'comment' and captures your realtime reaction/response interaction with the content. Then you have the option to upload or nah. Then on playback the forum synchronizes all of these clips so that it's one continuous experience. UX could be the active video playing while 3-4 live…

Like Whatsapp or Discord, but for forums? Eh, I don't know, seems inconvenient (especially on mobile) and a massive waste of storage space...

Re: Empathy and perspective taking: How social skills are built

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I'm wondering why empathy is such a hot topic... , I don't think our goal is to empathize more with other people. Really liked the point Paul Bloom made with his book about Rational Compasion: https://www.amazon.com/Against-Empathy-Case-Rational-Compass... We should be able to understand how smb feels, not feel the same. Personally, I'm quite interested in why/when people are synchronizing their movements. Shameless…

I agree. Empathy is painful. It should not be the goal. I think the outcome for civilization would not be optimal if many more people were empathic right now, we still need a mix. But there are degrees of empathic ability. Only a very few people like me ( I think the general population is comprised only less than 20% of people who are "empathic" to the extent whare if they try, or, are relationally close to someone t…

If empathy is painful to you then you have unhealed/unprocessed trauma that's been suppressed-repressed, and then being triggered.

Re: Empathy and perspective taking: How social skills are built

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Can you empathize with genius beyond your comrehension, or is this just a downward relationship, and does doing so make you a peer? Can you empathize with objective evils like sadism or cruelty without becoming a party to it? It raises the question of what it is, really. The popular emphasis on empathy seems to reduce to a secular political idea, where the more traditional value of compassion is more of a theological…

> Can you empathize with genius beyond your comrehension

Dogs have empathy for humans even though basically every human is an incomprehensible genius to a dog.

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Would be interesting to experiment with a forum that only works with video. Particularly if the video recorder starts when you are playing a 'comment' and captures your realtime reaction/response interaction with the content. Then you have the option to upload or nah. Then on playback the forum synchronizes all of these clips so that it's one continuous experience. UX could be the active video playing while 3-4 live…

Like Whatsapp or Discord, but for forums? Eh, I don't know, seems inconvenient (especially on mobile) and a massive waste of storage space...

Still asynchronous threaded conversations, just with video instead of text.

Definitely increases storage/processing/bandwidth costs. The question at hand is what is the value of the additional information that is retained. Text has the potential to alleviate a lot of bias around looks/gender/age/race, so it could even be a net negative, just seems interesting.

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I’ve taken these classes and it comes down to “be someone you aren’t in order to make conversation” It just feels so fake and scripted. I can easily tell in a business setting when people are just putting on their Dale Carnegie hat.

You can also think of it as "make an effort to act in a way others enjoy".

Problem is that only people with bad empathy enjoys it since otherwise you can see through peoples superficiality. So going through the motions and pretending to like each other doesn't work with/for many.

Re: Empathy and perspective taking: How social skills are built

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What I'm most interested in is to to what degree the lack of "facial expressions", "speech melody" and the like in internet communication impedes the development of empathy. We can communicate with more people than ever before, but our ability to empathize with those people is poor.

You don't develop empathy - some people have it, some people not so much.

We need both, unless we want other countries to come by and explain to us that their un-empathetic people with guns will now be telling us how to live our lives.

It's not ability to empathize that's poor online - it's motivation to empathize that's absent.

I'd really rather not deal with temper tantrums ever, but if someone throws one and I'm alone with them in a room, I have to deal with it because it could escalate to an even bigger nuisance. If I'm alone with them in an internet chatroom and they can't affect my everyday life, I can express how I really feel - I don't want to deal with your bullshit.

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