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Post by ryanSrich »

ksec wrote: post #153
ryanSrich wrote: post #73

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Page load, painting, uploading, everything. It's all very very slow. I use Notion very heavily at work, and until March of this year personally. In early 2020 I switched to Roam and I can't go back now. Roam is so amazingly fast it's like they're cheating or something. I wish every app would adopt the way Roam does it. Load everything up front. But, everything is slow these days. Aside from Roam, HN and maybe a handf…

Roam as in the one linked below? Seems like a very different app to Notion. https://roamresearch.com

It solves the same problems for me. Because Roam is almost like a markup language, you can make it do a lot of what Notion does. Especially if you use Notion purely as a personal wiki + task manager.

Notion is much better for businesses IMO. Like I said above, I use it for my startup. Specifically for task management, and even for our public docs site, ex: https://docs.haekka.com/

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Post by threatofrain »

deckard1 wrote: post #110
threatofrain wrote: post #40

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While this has become a thread for talking about alternatives, has anyone found a solution with a premium Latex + markdown experience? So far I've found VSC to be the best experience.

Not sure what would be considered premium, but Joplin supports KaTeX. The surprising thing about Joplin was just how much I would really love the Joplin Web Clipper browser extension. I can clip screenshots and web pages and they insert right into Joplin. Beyond that, I use Syncthing (highly recommend if you're on Android) and I sync my Joplin notes between my PC, laptop, and Android. It works flawlessly.

I don't use Joplin because it botches my Latex, and I don't really use fancy Latex. Same with Obsidian and Zettlr. I keep going back to VSC but I'd like to see what a truly first-class technical notes experience would look like.

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Post by skoskie »

aidos wrote: post #27
krono wrote: post #15

I have some serious data privacy concerns with Notion. The excruciating slowness of the platform in all its forms and iterations is also completely unworkable. A real shame as I really need something like this in my life - both personal and professional.

I mentioned https://www.getoutline.com/ below that I haven’t tried but looks great. Would be interested in hearing from anyone who’s tried it.

If your going this route, there is also https://www.bookstackapp.com which sits on top of Laravel, is open source, self-hosted, and free. Just sharing.

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Post by alex_portabella »

Osiris wrote: post #50
alexh1 wrote: post #18

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Take a look at Portabella ( https://portabella.io ), we're not feature complete with Notion but making serious progress!

From the website it looks like Portabella is a more focused application, while notion is anything from a wiki to a Kanban board. My company is evaluating Notion as a replacement for Confluence mostly, though we are looking at it's Kanban features also.

Makes sense!

We've just launched our Documents feature, aiming to be a G Docs/Confluence alternative. Still early days though!

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Post by alex_portabella »

acjohnson55 wrote: post #113
alex_portabella wrote: post #42

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No way right now. I do think that self hosting takes away most benefits we provide. Hopefully open source soon!

What are the benefits that would be lost?

Well the primary benefit of Portabella is end-to-end encryption.

The reason for e2ee is so you don't have to trust the provider. If you're hosting stuff yourself why wouldn't you trust your own infra? As long as you've got a TLS connection to and from your servers + encryption at rest, client side encryption gives no particular benefits.

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Post by Osiris »

alex_portabella wrote: post #184
Osiris wrote: post #50

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From the website it looks like Portabella is a more focused application, while notion is anything from a wiki to a Kanban board. My company is evaluating Notion as a replacement for Confluence mostly, though we are looking at it's Kanban features also.

Makes sense! We've just launched our Documents feature, aiming to be a G Docs/Confluence alternative. Still early days though!

G Docs and Confluence are VERY different products, in my view. One is about documents and one is about information sharing. You better pick early which one you're trying to be.

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Post by bosie »

black_puppydog wrote: post #177
bosie wrote: post #164

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how do you open an email in 500ms even locally on your desktop? do you use spotlight or something to find and open it? asking since even when i am in thunderbird, it takes me way longer than 500ms to open an email

More than 500ms to open an email? One that's already stored locally?! If that is the case, I advise you check what's taking so long, I get nothing like it with my thunderbird setup. Given, I disable html formatting where I can, that might make a difference. But even on my 2009 i5 desktop with hdd storage it doesn't take that long to load the actual email.

It takes me longer than 500ms to find that email. if we are talking about browsing a list of emails already on the screen and i can simply use a shortcut to go to the next email, that is instant in thunderbird/gmail.com /fastmail.com. that just isn't my use case most of the time.

opening an email is always longer than 500ms, rendering it isn't in any system i use. hence i am not sure what we are talking here. if we are talking opening, then the 3seconds initial bootup of gmail isn't worth talking about imo.

the bottleneck for me at least is always finding the email and thunderbird is by far the worst unfortunately.

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Post by Lazare »

pembrook wrote: post #135
Lazare wrote: post #36

I love the idea of Notion, and I love what the team is trying to do, and I love almost all of Notion. Unfortunately, it's too slow , at least for me. For a tool like that I need it to be a frictionless as possible, and Notion (for me!) is just a bit too annoying for me to put up with after extended usage. If you value features over snappiness, Notion may be great for you though. It's an amazing concept! And I certain…

Joplin, obsidian, etc. and other open source note systems I've used all suffer from the same problem: bad writing experience. I can't be the only one who believes this...writing in a 2 panel markdown+preview side-by-side view is just horrible and backwards. And I like the idea of markdown! Of course I want the ability to export to markdown for portability to the web. But for the love of god, don't make me surround my…

FWIW, Joplin allows you to have a single panel "raw markdown" view, and you can just assume it'll all render the way you want, and maybe double check at the end. I find that works well for me. As you say, previewing what bold looks like offers minimal value. :)

Joplin also has a beta single pane WYSIWG view which is like, I believe, Typora or Bear (markdown in the backend, but you type in what is effectively the preview window). I haven't really tried it out yet though. If it works well though, it might solve your concern though.

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Post by edylemond »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #103
crooked-v wrote: post #92

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I've ended up using Obsidian, since it saves its stuff as plain Markdown as opposed to Joplin's weird kitbash format... ...but the deeply ambiguous licensing info makes it a non-option for a lot of people.

I've never understood the draw of Obsidian. Their website makes it seem like the "graph view" is their big differentiator, but why is that useful? Why is it useful to know how various topics are vaguely related, and view a giant web of it? Or is their marketing just confusing me.. and really it's just a markdown editor with linking?

Graph view sounds ideal Zettelkasten but in practice the graph becomes chaos once you get to a certain number of notes. It's more useful to have a local view of a notes' links and backlinks, like https://traverse.link/ does

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Post by dbbk »

alexh1 wrote: post #12

Anyone have insight into how they built this? Custom Gantt solution or you think they bought one? There are no good and free JS gantt libraries, but many, many paid ones. I've been trying to find a good one for Portabella ( https://portabella.io ) as they're an essential part of project management platforms, but no luck yet.

Obviously they built it, it's really not hard
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