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Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

#51

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But your phone is still connecting out to the internet and therefore using your data allowance.

I think most people have basically unlimited data these days, and I'm sure nobody is worrying about the cost of a DNS request.

Aren't smartphones starting to penetrate third world countries?

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

#52

These bits of litigation are interesting, but my usual takeaway is a mild contempt for the whole thing. Whether it's something minor like this or a major antitrust cases (eg, the recent adwords EU case), what is and isn't legally actionable seems arbitrary from a non-legal perspective. Even legislation efforts like european "cookie laws" and such seem bumbling and naive. What's the legal fix to this, assuming google…

Whether or not google are "stealing" data allowance from customers, or acquiring this right voluntarily/contractually from customers is interesting in the abstract

Specific example of harm: international roaming data fees are outrageous and even a small use of data can stack up. If I visit Canada using my UK mobile phone, I have to be sure to keep data roaming turned off because I get dinged for £6/Mb (about US $7.50/Mb). Over a couple of weeks, google sipping a bit of bandwidth here or there can actually end up doubling or tripling my monthly bill, even when it's single-digit megabytes.

(The real problem is of course the existence of the search/advertising hybrid business model, which needs to be addressed at a legislative level. But no, costing me a noticeable amount of money under unpredictable circumstances is not an abstract/trivial problem.)

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people have basically unlimited data these days, and I'm sure nobody is worrying about the cost of a DNS request.

Aren't smartphones starting to penetrate third world countries?

Yes. Is that relevant? Their data is often cheaper than ours!

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

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Why would Microsoft help here? Windows has bunch of telemetry too.

Supposedly, a device requires an OS (such as Windows Mobile), which supposedly costs money, and does not have telemetry. Microsoft added telemetry to Windows because it is lucrative (up to the point they were giving Windows 10 away). To get rid of that, what we need is legislation, and then hold these corporations such as Google, Microsoft, and Apple accountable.

I've been trying out various FOSS operating systems for the Pinephone lately. Mobian seems to be in a pretty usable state right now. I really think FOSS is the only way forward. Despite their marketing efforts, Microsoft is still the awful evil company its always been.

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

#56
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I wish Microsoft didn't kill windows mobile. The Android monopoly is terrible

Windows mobile wasn't going to change the world. That said, I'd love to see a real alternative to iOS and Android if for no reason than my phone is a very powerful, very real computer and I can't use it as such.

You say this, but in 2020, Google is still working on adding features Windows Mobile had in 2014. As a former WinMo user, it's sad watching everyone else finally catching up.

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

#57
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I wish Microsoft didn't kill windows mobile. The Android monopoly is terrible

Windows mobile wasn't going to change the world. That said, I'd love to see a real alternative to iOS and Android if for no reason than my phone is a very powerful, very real computer and I can't use it as such.

There are full Linux distros for phones nowadays. They're still in alpha stages, but they're getting better all the time

https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PinePhone_Software_Releases

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

#58
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I wish Microsoft didn't kill windows mobile. The Android monopoly is terrible

That might make the issue worse. See one way around it : PiHole. Well Pi has Microsoft firmware and PiHole software and its blocklists are hosted on Microsoft owned Github.

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

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post #52

These bits of litigation are interesting, but my usual takeaway is a mild contempt for the whole thing. Whether it's something minor like this or a major antitrust cases (eg, the recent adwords EU case), what is and isn't legally actionable seems arbitrary from a non-legal perspective. Even legislation efforts like european "cookie laws" and such seem bumbling and naive. What's the legal fix to this, assuming google…

Whether or not google are "stealing" data allowance from customers, or acquiring this right voluntarily/contractually from customers is interesting in the abstract Specific example of harm: international roaming data fees are outrageous and even a small use of data can stack up. If I visit Canada using my UK mobile phone, I have to be sure to keep data roaming turned off because I get dinged for £6/Mb (about US $7.50…

You should sign up with three. In Europe + about 30 other countries I get to use my allowance as normal when overseas

Re: Google sued: Idle Android eats mobile data to send telemetry and preload ads

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I wish Microsoft didn't kill windows mobile. The Android monopoly is terrible

Windows mobile wasn't going to change the world. That said, I'd love to see a real alternative to iOS and Android if for no reason than my phone is a very powerful, very real computer and I can't use it as such.

Then you can support PinePhone / Purism Librem. It's still very far from being as mature as IOS/Android, but it is our only hope of an alternative that respect us.

The long term vision is exactly what you said, convinance & security of a smartphone with, for those who wish, the openness and power of a computer

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