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The Hyperloop’s Only Destination Is a Capitalist Hellscape

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Re: The Hyperloop’s Only Destination Is a Capitalist Hellscape

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Post by pmiller2 »

mixedCase wrote: post #15

I read the entire article just to find its underlying foundation rearing its ugly head near its end: > Maybe we’ll even have a line in the U.S. that Wall Street execs and DC lobbyists will use to blast up and down the Eastern Seaboard for business lunches. But you and me? We’ll be stuck on dilapidated Amtrak lines[...] > our only consolation the fact that the hyperloop’s vacuum-sealed tubes don’t have windows, so its…

That is an absolutely disingenuous reading of what the article was trying to say. It's more like "this will not be available to regular people in our lifetimes." It's neither "Rich people having things I can't have is bad!" nor "it's better for everyone to stay the same than everyone get better, if some people get better by a bigger amount."

Can you rephrase your critique using what the article actually said, rather than what you're reading into it?

Re: The Hyperloop’s Only Destination Is a Capitalist Hellscape

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Post by mixedCase »

pmiller2 wrote: post #81
mixedCase wrote: post #15

I read the entire article just to find its underlying foundation rearing its ugly head near its end: > Maybe we’ll even have a line in the U.S. that Wall Street execs and DC lobbyists will use to blast up and down the Eastern Seaboard for business lunches. But you and me? We’ll be stuck on dilapidated Amtrak lines[...] > our only consolation the fact that the hyperloop’s vacuum-sealed tubes don’t have windows, so its…

That is an absolutely disingenuous reading of what the article was trying to say. It's more like "this will not be available to regular people in our lifetimes." It's neither "Rich people having things I can't have is bad!" nor "it's better for everyone to stay the same than everyone get better, if some people get better by a bigger amount." Can you rephrase your critique using what the article actually said, rather…

I quoted directly from the article, and said that as a characterization of what I see the underlying problem behind his statements are.

You may interpret it differently, but I clearly and unequivocally see that sentiment behind it. And to be more specific, I could be more charitable in my interpretation should the second line I quoted not be in the article verbatim.

Re: The Hyperloop’s Only Destination Is a Capitalist Hellscape

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Post by pas »

bigbubba wrote: post #58
bodhiandpysics1 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't actually a problem! We build gas pipelines all the time which suffer exactly the same problem. (and no, you don't want gas pipelines to leak!) You can use expansion joints, or grooved couplings that enable movement, and there are other solutions as well. I think the problem that people have is that they assume you need some really intense vacuum for hyperloop to work. .05 bar (the pressure at 60,000 ft) is…

Normal pipelines handle large amounts of thermal expansion in a way fundamentally incompatible with hyperloops: https://www.quora.com/Why-do-oil-pipelines-have-so-many-seem... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=expansion+loop&iax=images&ia=image...

Why would that be fundamentally incompatible?

Re: The Hyperloop’s Only Destination Is a Capitalist Hellscape

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Post by meheleventyone »

civilized wrote: post #63
meheleventyone wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not greed and looking up it’s empathy and looking down.

"Eat the rich" isn't that, no

No looking at the destitute and feeling that wealth redistribution is a good solution with a pithy slogan is not greed.

Re: The Hyperloop’s Only Destination Is a Capitalist Hellscape

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Post by civilized »

meheleventyone wrote: post #84
civilized wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Eat the rich" isn't that, no

No looking at the destitute and feeling that wealth redistribution is a good solution with a pithy slogan is not greed.

Leftists should get some better slogan writers so they don't have to constantly tell everyone that what they mean is completely different than what they're saying.

Re: The Hyperloop’s Only Destination Is a Capitalist Hellscape

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Post by ihaveajob »

leetcrew wrote: post #59
ihaveajob wrote: post #19

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Personally, I care because it diverts attention and thrust from developing proven alternatives to air travel, such as HSR. When something that big hinges on a narrow swing in public opinion, and someone starts dangling a pie in the sky idea, the result can be abandonment of the main idea, at the service of an unlikely moonshot by a big ego.

I don't see HSR as a good alternative to air travel in a country as spread out as the US. a proper HSR route for the northeast corridor would be great; it's kind of ridiculous that a plane is the best way to get from boston to DC. when you start looking at traversing entire coasts, it's really hard for a train to compete with air travel. a non-stop flight from seattle to LA takes about two and a half hours, plus all…

Both Europe and China are of comparable size to the US, and they enjoy high speed train since decades ago. It won't replace a NYC-LA trip anytime now, but the coastal corridors and various regional hubs (Texas triangle, lake Michigan, etc) are perfectly sized.

Re: The Hyperloop’s Only Destination Is a Capitalist Hellscape

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Post by pmiller2 »

mixedCase wrote: post #82
pmiller2 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is an absolutely disingenuous reading of what the article was trying to say. It's more like "this will not be available to regular people in our lifetimes." It's neither "Rich people having things I can't have is bad!" nor "it's better for everyone to stay the same than everyone get better, if some people get better by a bigger amount." Can you rephrase your critique using what the article actually said, rather…

I quoted directly from the article, and said that as a characterization of what I see the underlying problem behind his statements are. You may interpret it differently, but I clearly and unequivocally see that sentiment behind it. And to be more specific, I could be more charitable in my interpretation should the second line I quoted not be in the article verbatim.

This

> AKA "This is for rich people! And rich people having things I can't have is bad!"

and this

> When and where did this line of thought of "it's better for everyone to stay the same than everyone get better if some people get better by a bigger amount" started being socially acceptable within grown adults?

have no basis in the article text. You made it up out of your own interpretation. Stop trying to be intellectually dishonest while pretending you did nothing.

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