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Ask HN: How to Block Apple's Spyware on BigSur?

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Re: Ask HN: How to Block Apple's Spyware on BigSur?

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Post by grayhatter »

kushan2020 wrote: post #4
znpy wrote: post #2

I honestly can't understand why on earth would a sane minded person spend all that money on apple hardware and then on top of that spend a a lot of time fighting a losing fight against the software. Just switch to something else.

There are things which Apple Macs excel at, and no other laptop even comes close. This is not me speaking in thin air, you can yourself notice that majority of developers and creative professionals own Macs.

Because people who create stuff use Macs, Macs are the only thing in existence that's functional?!

You sure about that logic?

Related, any one know of any brilliant engineers who deeply understand what they're using that use/love apple products?

Re: Ask HN: How to Block Apple's Spyware on BigSur?

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Post by m-p-3 »

kushan2020 wrote: post #4
znpy wrote: post #2

I honestly can't understand why on earth would a sane minded person spend all that money on apple hardware and then on top of that spend a a lot of time fighting a losing fight against the software. Just switch to something else.

There are things which Apple Macs excel at, and no other laptop even comes close. This is not me speaking in thin air, you can yourself notice that majority of developers and creative professionals own Macs.

I'd say that because they sadly don't know better.

Re: Ask HN: How to Block Apple's Spyware on BigSur?

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Post by m-p-3 »

ksk wrote: post #20
hnarayanan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally everything. Like a good trackpad, build quality, stability, ...

A lot of Apple fans say this, but I find many components in Apple products in general to be of average to poor build quality. Keyboards, display hinges, CPU/GPU cooling, weak display bezel/frames, weak outer-frames on their phones, laptop case creaking, etc. Heck they have yet to figure out how to design cables that don't fray. I'm sure there are some nice aspects to owning a mac too, otherwise nobody would purchase…

Seriously, the bluetooth chipset in my MBP 2018 at work sucks balls. If I try to listen to music on my bluetooth headset as well as using a bluetooth mouse it stutters, and the mouse cursor is jittery.

If I use the same mouse and headset on my Dell Precision 5520 I don't suffer from these issues.

Re: Ask HN: How to Block Apple's Spyware on BigSur?

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Post by mixedCase »

hnarayanan wrote: post #14
mixedCase wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as?

Literally everything. Like a good trackpad, build quality, stability, ...

> good trackpad

Granted. Except it's useless from my perspective because:

* keyboard-centric tiling workflow + mouse

- is faster than-

* a standard K&M stacked windows workflow

- is mostly faster than-

* keyboard-centric tiling workflow + any trackpad

- is faster than -

* the standard macOS experience with a trackpad

It's an exercise in frustration whenever I have to get help from or help out a peer which uses a touchpad for everything (Mac user or otherwise, but more common in Mac users precisely because of its good trackpad) because it makes every operation slow as molasses. And if you care about a responsive desktop, the trackpad is mostly irrelevant because you'll be using a tiling setup which relies on a keyboard and simple mouse/trackpad usage.

> build quality

A computer that throttles at max frequency does not have good build quality. A computer with a keyboard that falls apart with specks of dust does not have good build quality.

Macs have great screens and are slim, but they're far from the only ones with those qualities.

> stability

Except this is a meme. macOS stability is an absolute gamble like all other OSes, it will depend on your configuration macOS will behave or not, as is the case for both Windows and Linux. And macOS releases are known to be stability shitshows, Catalina being a big example and now Big Sur not being able to start applications because an Apple server is unresponsive.

Re: Ask HN: How to Block Apple's Spyware on BigSur?

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Post by jlgaddis »

LinuxBender wrote: post #10
atmosx wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a thread the other day... about this. I believe mapping ocsp.apple.com to 127.0.0.1 on your hosts file will do the trick.

Oh if the question was just blocking the OCSP, then yes, /etc/hosts or null route will do that. That isn't the only data leakage (tracking) that comes out of a mac however. sudo route add -net 17.253.17.0 255.255.255.0 -blackhole also works for the OCSP. You will still get some delay in opening applications. I would like to see apple do OCSP stapling and caching in the OS like reverse proxies already do, but that wou…

Anyone wanting to do the above should first check what ocsp.apple.com resolves to for them -- looks like the responses vary by geographical location.

Re: Ask HN: How to Block Apple's Spyware on BigSur?

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

kushan2020 wrote: post #4
znpy wrote: post #2

I honestly can't understand why on earth would a sane minded person spend all that money on apple hardware and then on top of that spend a a lot of time fighting a losing fight against the software. Just switch to something else.

There are things which Apple Macs excel at, and no other laptop even comes close. This is not me speaking in thin air, you can yourself notice that majority of developers and creative professionals own Macs.

> you can yourself notice that majority of developers and creative professionals own Macs.

No they don't. There are statistics. What you see in the Bay isn't common.

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