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Re: macOS Big Sur

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I have similar feelings. On the one hand I would love to check out the new version of MacOS. On the other hand I use my machine for work and can't afford any downtime. I upgraded to Catalina 5-8 months after it was released, mostly because the initial rollout was so rocky (at least according to the articles on HN). Going to keep my eyes peeled for reviews here in the next few weeks. Hopefully this is a more stable re…

My speakers were sporadically broken after Catalina lol.

Hardware problem, or just no sound? I've found that force-quitting `coreaudiod` would fix missing sound.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Just want to put here that if you're using a Mac and haven't tried Safari recently, you're missing out. A few things: - Battery life is fantastic compared to Chrome/FF - Privacy seems to be top-notch - The tab ordering situation is now chrome-like (my biggest gripe in older versions of safari) - Experimental features are 1 click away, easily enable/disable WebGL2 - Support for the WebExtensions standard means addons…

What's behind the battery life being so much better?

That’s because the M1 processor comes from a mobile heritage that’s always been focused on efficiency. The fact that they started an architecture decades after x86 allowed them to learn from its errors, remove its complexity and tune it for low energy usage. At least that’s my superficial understanding. There are probably good articles on that topic.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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The only reason I'm using FF is TreeStyleTab. I seriously don't understand how people live without it. Right now I have 993 open tabs, sometimes I have 100, sometimes 2k - don't really care, but they are easily navigatable as a tree-like structure on the side of the screen.

Genuine question because our tab handling strategies seem to differ - how frequently do you return to a given tab? Do you keep them for reference in some way, or is it more out of concern of having to navigate back over again?

I use TreeStyleTab, and for me it's a mixture.

For example, I have a bunch of tabs for online grocery shops in recent months. These are for reference. Whenever I'm in the mood to check for delivery slots (which have become scarce), I click through each of them, login and check if there's a viable delivery slot available. The set of tabs is a reference to remind me of the list of 10 or so shops to check periodically. I might forget some of them otherwise, because they are not all ones I use regularly; they are only in the list to improve my chances when slots become hard to obtain.

Then I'll use the same tabs for convenience rather than reference. Muscle memory and visual location. If I found a slot, I might place an order in stages over a few days (one to book the slot, then adding items over the coming days if I realise I need something, finally to amend the order to fit my needs shortly before the delivery date). Then it's useful to have the tabs in use in a convenient location. Their visibility as a pinned tab also serves as a reminder until the shopping is finished (typically ~3-12 days) in case I forget to amend the order.

I have a similar thing going on with financial institutions. I have about 20 of these in use, counting both personal and business use (I run accounts of two businesses), banks, credit cards, and tax pages. From time to time I'll want to peruse them and check in on balances and pending tasks, occasionally download a statement. Then it's useful to have a list in one place, similar to with shops. without a list I'd probably miss one.

Both of the above could in theory be replaced by bookmarks, but there's a bunch of UX reasons why bookmarks don't work so well. One of them is that we really need a "live bookmarks folder" for each group. If I open another shop/institution tab, I need that to remain in the "persistent" set by default. Using a normal bookmark group, I'd open the group as tabs, then half an hour after I open something else, I'd have to remember to add that extra item to the bookmark group, and just that item. But after an hour of browsing and having visited maybe 250 pages, I'm likely to forget which open tabs are already in a bookmark group and which one's aren't. It's too much work to step through and compare item by item by hand when I'm done and need to move to another task, so I end up taking new "snapshot" bookmark groups rather than managing the existing bookmark set. This gets messy fast. In practice it's easier to just keep a set of tabs open, and delete the ones which are no longer required.

Also in my tabs are the articles (many from HN) that I collect into a knowledge base. Tabs aren't a great way to save these, but neither are bookmarks. Ideally I'd want something that saves them with tags and brief notes. For now, I send tabs from my active window over to a dedicate HN window, where they form a long queue of things to go through in a systematic batch at some point and group, sort, categorise, filter, and take notes on the salient points I want proper notes on. They are a kind of research multi-queue. You could think of them as a set of about 50 long-term tasks that are likely to take years to produce the results I want (which are for actual tech developments, not reminiscence). From time to time I'm tempted to batch convert these to bookmarks, but doing so makes them unusable because it loses scroll position and text highlight, so it's labour intensive having to take notes instead. I guess people use "web clipper" software for this kind of task. I haven't found something I'm happy with yet, but I haven't tried much either. I wouldn't be happy locking so much long term research into proprietary software though. On my phone, I use "Share to Orgzly" to capture such things, rather than tabs.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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I have absolutely zero interest in using a browser that is locked to a single platform. I move constantly between Windows and Linux (I don't have any Mac machines right now) and the idea of using a different browser on each platform seems crazy.

FWIW, iCloud syncs quite well with Firefox on Windows.

is the idea here that my browsing state is synced, but I switch browsers? No, not what I want.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Any relevant problems on your update?

I’m with a status bar stuck at ~95% for four hours. Will let it try to finish by itself during the weekend. First time I miss an HDD so I could hear if it’s working.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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> How the hell is it "extremely inaccessible" for "most" people? Because most people don't own Macs. The last Windows compatible version of Safari was back in 2012 or so, and as far as I know, it was never available on Linux. Therefore, for me to test on Safari, I either have to spend thousands to buy a laptop, or pay out of my pocket for some sort of cross-browser testing tool (even if it's free, I am spending extra…

How does Firefox win in privacy? Maybe through certain extensions but Safari has the edge in things like private mode tabs not sharing cookies etc. between each other. It sure doesn’t feel faster. As for Chrome I read this just now: https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-patches-two-more-chrome...

Privacy/no-cookie sharing: Container Tabs + Multi Account Containers in Firefox is incredible. Yes, I realize those are extensions - but that kind of control or extensibility isn't even possible in Safari.

Which is actually the biggest reason I don't use Safari, it has no support for profiles or user-chosen cookie separation (multiple different accounts for GSuite, etc).

As for Chrome just getting patched with zero-days - fine, but remember that Safari doesn't have the concept or ability to do Site Isolation the way Chrome or FF do, Chrome uses the macOS sandbox the same way Safari does, and there have been plenty of Safari CVEs as well. Chrome is usually the last to fall at Pwn2Own; pointing out "oh they just patched a zero-day CVE" doesn't mean much, especially since Apple pushes Safari updates far less often than Chrome does, and will often leave desktop Safari unpatched for weeks after iOS has been fixed.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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This is pretty funny because you're saying it's working as intended, but also saying the problem is that bookmark management is tedious. So fixing bookmark management would fix the tab problem.

I think many of us are also aware that saving a bookmark, whether in the browser or to something like pinboard.in, is an invitation to lose it in a back hole. Whereas if it's at least theoretically in "working memory" we want to keep it as a tab. But AFAIK there isn't a really good tool--and certainly not native to a browser as far as I can tell--that lets me quickly and easily rationalize all my tabs into coherent w…

TreeStyleTabs in Firefox (which is a great tool regardless of bookmarking), keeps track of parent/child relationships, you can drag & drop into subsets to create the relationship you're talking about, and has a "Bookmark this tree" feature, which would create a folder with subfolders with the top level named as you choose.

(I use the heck out of this, both for the extra vertical space that comes from hiding the top tab bar, and for the conceptual organization that it provides).

Re: macOS Big Sur

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> Just lost a few hundred Tabs from last session This is horrifying! How do you get to have one hundred tabs, or worse, a few hundred ?

Tabs store context (history, cookies, container, etc, with tree-style tabs also parent & child tab relations) that bookmarks don't. I'm not sure about Safari (since I don't use a Mac) but on Firefox you can set up tab discarding (via extension) that unloads unused tabs. So there's a lot less incentive to use bookmarks when you can just leave a tab open forever. Really the only reason to use bookmarks instead of tabs…

Even then, you can sync open tabs with Firefox Sync! (Or Chrome sync, or Safari via iCloud)

Re: macOS Big Sur

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genshin impact basically sealed the deal for me no point buying a nintendo switch much less a proper mac. I can get by with non-apple silicon arm Chromebooks like the wonderful lenovo duet

Seal the deal? It looks like a crappy pay-to-win mobile game.

pay to win what exactly? its a ripoff of breath of the wild, and doesn't seem to have a clear winning state especially in the free single player campaign.

macos probably runs this now given its pretty popular on iPad right now. Open world games usually only launch on consoles/PC but unreal engine allows games like this to arrive on mobile platforms as well.

mobile games need to lose some of the stigma when they keep gaining console like titles in the app stores

Re: macOS Big Sur

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I released iTerm2 version 3.4.0 this morning with Big Sur support. Please update because 3.3 has various issues with it.

I just ran "Check for Updates" and it gave me this remarkable message: "iTerm2 3.1.7 is currently the newest version available. (You are currently running version 3.3.12.)" Wat?

https://gitlab.com/gnachman/iterm2/-/issues/9234#note_447292...

"Oh, I think I see what happened. Here's what's going on:

* I'm currently only making 3.4.0 available through software update for Big Sur users to slow the rollout in case there is a critical bug.

* I should not have removed 3.3.12 from the appcast file. That's why you're being told that 3.1.7 is the newest version. I've put it back.

If you want to upgrade to 3.4.0, you can download it from https://iterm2.com/downloads or else wait a few days until I push it out for everyone."

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