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Re: So you've made a mistake and it's public

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> What should I do when I see someone else is making a mistake? > When you see others making mistakes, first help them see their mistakes and deal with them (e.g. by recycling this text, or by independently offering your analysis and answers to Steps 1 and 2 above). > Remember you make mistakes too, and be tolerant of the time it may take people to accept that they have made a mistake. (But you don't need to allow th…

It should be noted that you should contact them about their mistake in the most private way possible, then escalating slowly as the need arises. This follows the "praise in public, punish in private" maxim.

Re: So you've made a mistake and it's public

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I like that. I'm quite good at apologizing, because I need to do it so often. I get lots of practice. The American abhorrence for admitting fault and/or apologizing is quite mystifying to me. It's really corrosive. I've spent 40 years, promptly admitting mistakes, and repairing, where possible. WFM. YMMV.

Perhaps this has to do with lawsuits.

You might be right. There has been laws passed that make it clear use of the word "I'm sorry" does not convey guilt. [0]

[0.] https://www.scmedicalmalpractice.com/blog/2015/08/does-sayin...

Re: So you've made a mistake and it's public

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I'm not sure apologizing publicly has made anything better for any individual, especially in the current moral panic climate. Mobs don't accept apologies.

Public apologies stamp official guilt on the individual and therefore serve as a license for the mob to further punish them because now they have admitted their fault and therefore are 'officially' guilty of the crime. Public apologies, therefore, are the metaphorical equivalent of blood in the water for attracting sharks.

Maybe it's better to just ignore and maintain innocence because then at least there is some gray area? I don't know.

Re: So you've made a mistake and it's public

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This is purely my personal opinion, but the wikipedia community seems like one of the most toxic communities on the web. The people contributing to WP - the editors - seem more concerned with coming up with Kafka-esque processes to introduce to the community than making the actual work of making an encyclopaedia. Perhaps the only area where editors are as zealous they are about creating obscure processes, is in polic…

Considering Reddit and 4Chan are things, Wikipedia is far from being the most toxic .

Maybe the most elitist

Re: So you've made a mistake and it's public

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I like that. I'm quite good at apologizing, because I need to do it so often. I get lots of practice. The American abhorrence for admitting fault and/or apologizing is quite mystifying to me. It's really corrosive. I've spent 40 years, promptly admitting mistakes, and repairing, where possible. WFM. YMMV.

Perhaps this has to do with lawsuits.

> Perhaps this has to do with lawsuits.

This happens even in work environments where it's unlikely your coworkers will sue you. I feel like perhaps it's more about competitiveness - I've seen plenty of times people raised in US use any kind of admission of mistake as a bludgeon to get advantage, get more political capital or belittle someone elses project. I guess it's considered to be a good thing to grasp any advantage over others?

Re: So you've made a mistake and it's public

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I doubt it. It's a cultural thing, and probably partly a manifestation of individualism.

Admitting fault when needed is a core aspect of being a good individual.

That is, if you define "good" from collectivistic point of view...

Re: So you've made a mistake and it's public

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It's funny to see this just now. I've started contributing quite a bit to Wikidata as part of some work that uses it as a data source, and it's really the first time in more than a decade that I work in an environment where my work gets public scrutiny.

Shame is a really strong emotion for me, and I feel terrible when anyone spots a mistake. At one point, I left the site and didn't return for three days because I saw there was a notification for me. Which turned out to be positive feedback.

I feel far worse about my own mistakes than about those of others.

What I don't get is people doubling down on obvious mistakes. Show some contrition and your standing will net benefit from you screwing something up. Trust me on this: I'm German and we have made that principle semi-official government philosophy. Whenever I see, say, Turkish nationalists deny the Armenian genocide, or Polish wikipedia deleting articles about local anti-semitic incidents, I wonder if they seriously believe their actions won't make them look both guilty and somewhat stupid.

Oh, while we're at it: Only by participating have I learnt what a vast enterprise the whole of Wikimedia actually is, and how almost all of it is open to the public. It's the only non-profit organisation at FAANG-scale (except Amazon I guess), and you might want to check out, for example, what Graphana looks like at scale: https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/000000605/datacenter-global-...

Re: So you've made a mistake and it's public

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. It's a cultural thing, and probably partly a manifestation of individualism.

Admitting fault when needed is a core aspect of being a good individual.

Correct, but a lot of people are either not good individuals, or improperly see it as a sign of weakness.
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