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Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by ericabiz »

My husband drives for Uber, and I’m glad the proposition passed as it is.

He drives the way Uber was originally envisioned. He goes out some nights if there’s a surge, and in the morning on the way to work he points the app toward our stores and grabs a person (pre-pandemic) or a food delivery (today) on his way in.

It pays for gas money, car maintenance, and then some. Some months he makes a few hundred dollars. Some months over $1000. He can work when he wants, and make as much or as little money as he needs.

I feel strongly like this law was pushed by people who want Uber to be a full-time job. It’s not. I understand that some people want it to be full-time, but I wish they would stop trying to make Uber something it’s not. Had the law passed, people like my husband would have had to quit working for Uber. It would have unfairly punished the part-time and “free time” drivers in favor of full-time drivers.

I still think we need a third class of employment, but that’s not what was on the table here.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by methodsignature »

maxehmookau wrote: post #26
barry-cotter wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kind of Christian minister that cares more about, and talks more about social justice than they do about Christ.

You're right, Jesus didn't give a damn about social justice. Christianity and the need for justice and equality are completely separate. /s

F the poor, aye? Gotchu fam. Jesus would be proud.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by [deleted] »

treeman79 wrote: post #18

Got injured awhile back. Disability decided to play hardball. Gig jobs are all that kept family off the street while I recovered. Starting and stopping anytime as my body could tolerate. Or renting out rooms on Airbnb. Sometimes it took me 4 hours to change sheets and tidy up, but it made the difference. Not saying their good companies. But gigs was crazy valuable to me.

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Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by SllX »

If the 2020 elections proved anything, it’s that money doesn’t buy elections. Bloomberg tried in the Primary, and tried again in Texas on behalf of Biden and the Democrats and their portion of the Texan Congressional election actually shrank in a State the mainstream media was selling as a swing State.

Money gets you into the game, it doesn’t get you over the finish line.

Back to Prop 22, Uber didn’t buy a law, Californian voters bought this law with their votes, and punched a hole in an even worse law that screwed over 1099s with exceptions for the legislature’s preferred constituents. Now the California State legislature faces a choice: repeal what’s left of AB5 or let the gimped version stand without hitting their prized targets. A total repeal of AB5 would have been even better, but this will do for now.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by wavepruner »

tor_anon_1 wrote: post #40
treeman79 wrote: post #18

Got injured awhile back. Disability decided to play hardball. Gig jobs are all that kept family off the street while I recovered. Starting and stopping anytime as my body could tolerate. Or renting out rooms on Airbnb. Sometimes it took me 4 hours to change sheets and tidy up, but it made the difference. Not saying their good companies. But gigs was crazy valuable to me.

"thank God for these benevolent companies that lobby against universal healthcare and labor unions, so they can then be there for us when we don't have healthcare or union protection" Put another way: "Thank God purdue pharma is now manufacturing the cure[1] for the opioid epidemic that purdue pharma started" 1. https://apnews.com/article/6751b84767e8a1ebbaea6cb628ac2a11

As a disabled person who has also benefitted immensely from Uber, I hear this a lot, and it is really frustrating.

No one will help me, especially progressive leaning people. You don't get political or social brownie points for helping disabled people the way you would for other minority groups who are struggling. We are constantly ignored and forgotten.

I was in a situation where I needed money for healthcare that will never be covered by insurance, especially government sponsored universal insurance (EDIT: it will be covered eventually, maybe in 10 years). Gig jobs played a key role in my ability to purchase that healthcare and survive.

Regular employers will never hire me. Unions will never let me join them, because I can't meet their requirements and make life harder for their able bodied employees. Gig work is the only option.

Healthy people aren't nearly as caring as they'd like to believe, especially progressives.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by [deleted] »

uptown wrote: post #17

One element of Prop 22 which seems extreme to me are the voting requirements to one-day overturn the law: "A change to the law would require a seven-eighths majority in the California legislature." I realize that we don't want laws on the books that are continually changed, but that's an extremely steep climb, should the majority of the legislature feel that this law is problematic. They need virtual total agreement.

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Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by intricatedetail »

ericabiz wrote: post #51

My husband drives for Uber, and I’m glad the proposition passed as it is. He drives the way Uber was originally envisioned. He goes out some nights if there’s a surge, and in the morning on the way to work he points the app toward our stores and grabs a person (pre-pandemic) or a food delivery (today) on his way in. It pays for gas money, car maintenance, and then some. Some months he makes a few hundred dollars. Som…

People who want it to be full time, in reality want it so they can install unions and then leech money of the workers with no options.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by gentaro »

maxehmookau wrote: post #30
googthrowaway42 wrote: post #4

"In California, one of the world’s wealthiest economies, I should be able to afford rent and pay my bills as a driver. I shouldn’t be forced to scour for public bathrooms or work 70-hour weeks to do this job. But that’s what these companies have forced upon us." "Uber may have bought itself a law, but it has not bought itself reprieve. All labor has dignity, and driving for Uber or Lyft should be no different." Cherr…

I'm detecting quite a lot of judgement in your comment. You've attacked the person rather than the argument. Do you disagree that a job should mean that someone is able to afford rent and pay your bills? Because that sounds entirely reasonable to me.

He has to attack the person because opposing the idea of people making a living wage makes you look like a callous idiot.

Re: Gig economy companies spent more than $200M to bankroll Proposition 22

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Post by googthrowaway42 »

_dark_matter_ wrote: post #38
googthrowaway42 wrote: post #4

"In California, one of the world’s wealthiest economies, I should be able to afford rent and pay my bills as a driver. I shouldn’t be forced to scour for public bathrooms or work 70-hour weeks to do this job. But that’s what these companies have forced upon us." "Uber may have bought itself a law, but it has not bought itself reprieve. All labor has dignity, and driving for Uber or Lyft should be no different." Cherr…

Sorry, can you explain? Why do you think that makes sense? If you're going to say "because this is the kind of thing a social justice minister would write", consider that: 1. You may have cause and effect wrong. The conditions this person lived through, especially as a gig worker, may have moved them to be a social justice minister; not the other way around. 2. You are not judging the article from the quality of the…

Right now all you're doing is engaging in virtue signaling.

How about you go off and split your Mozilla salary with this woman and then once you provide proof of this then we can have an honest discussion.

Just to be clear, nothing at all is stopping you from doing this.

You wouldn't be so awful as to claim that your labor is more valuable than this woman's, would you?

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