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Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by Freak_NL »

eznzt wrote: post #276
zanny wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good thing said hacker culture spent 15 years buying inflated laptops and desktops from them ultimately for convenience to give them the market presence to do this in the first place. Its the same thing with Windows. People will preach all day that they won't make any personal sacrifices to try to avoid feeding literal cancers that are eating the software industry and are shocked when said all consuming voids take aw…

And what do you expect us to do, install Linux and spend days configuring the touchpad? Computers are a tool we use to do our work. Setting up the computer cannot become a job by itself.

Buy one of the many laptops that work out of the box with GNU/Linux. Vote for manufacturers with your money. It's not that hard.

I haven't had to spends days configuring anything for over a decade.

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by [deleted] »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #292
kimjongtrill wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10 years ago when I started working I feared the younger generation and their enthusiasm and energy. Then I had to teach a few of them how to ssh and that fear was dissolved. Most of these kids will not cut it in heavy reading/comprehension jobs.

As an "older" coder I get where your hinting at but your view on Zoomers in tech from your high horse seems very narrow and entitled. I'm sure there are Zoomers out there who can code rings around you(and me).

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Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by ppur »

sdevonoes wrote: post #289
II2II wrote: post #245

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> And before "have you tried this *nix distro??" comments appear, they are still too hard to setup and nowhere near as user-friendly for most people on an everyday basis. Uh, no. There are many reasons why people don't use Linux. The easy of setup and use lines are pure nonsense. Many Linux distributions have been easier to setup and use since at least the introduction of Ubuntu, and perhaps earlier. Just pop in the…

> As someone who has been using Linux for decades, I find the setup and user friendliness of something like Windows far inferior to to Linux. Yes, part of that is due to familiarity. On the other hand, some of it is inherent due to there being fewer restrictions with open source software. Non-tech people don't want (or don't know how) to "setup". The most user-friendly setup won't ever beat "no setup" (e.g., macOS).…

I think another thing that contributes to that last problem about "computer" brands is the lack of knowledge of the distinction between operating system manufacturer and hardware manufacturer - I just moved recently, and in the process of getting to know more people and accidentally becoming their tech support, I was surprised to see how many people didn't have that basic bit of knowledge. When pointing at a chromebook, people say "Google" without questioning why "lenovo" is also written on it.

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by modo_mario »

damnencryption wrote: post #114
rsanheim wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You pointed out a core problem here, and a common blindspot with the HN crowd: > continuing to use Apple/Google/Microsoft That is probably 98%+ of devices that most typical people use for everyday computing, across phone, laptop, and desktop. Whether it is an android device, an iPhone, a Dell laptop or a new M1 macbook you are beholden to a corporation that doesn't care about privacy. I would argue that Apple cares a…

> And before "have you tried this *nix distro??" comments appear, they are still too hard to setup and nowhere near as user-friendly for most people on an everyday basis. This isn't true. This perception continues to hurt the Linux community along with others. Use a properly supported -buntu distro and you are good.

>Use a properly supported -buntu distro and you are good.

Honestly it sounds insane but I've started recommending Manjaro KDE. Stuff breaking due to rolling release seems to happen less often than me avoiding having to do other stuff that newcomers to Linux are unfamiliar with.

Like adding a ppa or struggling to find a package since it lets you easily add the AUR, snaps, flatpaks, what have you without a care about the competition between those. The install is painless. KDE's stuff feels intuitive and familiar to windows users and is customisable enough you don't have to deal with some minor personal preference annoyances.

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by kimjongtrill »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #292
kimjongtrill wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10 years ago when I started working I feared the younger generation and their enthusiasm and energy. Then I had to teach a few of them how to ssh and that fear was dissolved. Most of these kids will not cut it in heavy reading/comprehension jobs.

As an "older" coder I get where your hinting at but your view on Zoomers in tech from your high horse seems very narrow and entitled. I'm sure there are Zoomers out there who can code rings around you(and me).

not really meant as a hard judgement, just sharing my experience. i am 100% sure there are folks at all age levels that can be and are better than me. i have definitely worked with some.

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by jason0597 »

eznzt wrote: post #280
deadbunny wrote: post #16

Yet despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth - both in the article and in the comments here in the various threads - people are still making excuses for continuing to use Apple/Google/Microsoft/et al products because the alternatives are a bit rough round the edges. These companies have repeatedly shown that they don't respect people's privacy and people have resoundingly responded that neither do they. I would…

The alternatives are not "a bit rough round the edges". They are much, much worse.

How much worse are they? Can you explain your experience?

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by blindm »

All OSes are chatty in some way or another. It's a small price to pay for having your system 'just work' without going down the Arch Linux road and having ultra control over every component of the OS. Even Ubuntu constantly phones home to `snapcraft.io` and `canonical.com` but needs to do that to check for updates and do things like sync the clock with NTP. Do I care that Canonical now knows when my box goes online? Hardly. It's a small price to pay for having a pretty solid OS that has good hardware compatibility and I have no issues with my printer, and it's plug-and-play. If I need to use Windows to open a .DOCX file (for work) I use Virtualbox where I have a Windows VM to do Windows things. I don't see the fuss really in using Linux as my daily driver. Others are so biased and fanboi-ish towards MacOS it's disturbing to witness.

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by vbezhenar »

eznzt wrote: post #276
zanny wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good thing said hacker culture spent 15 years buying inflated laptops and desktops from them ultimately for convenience to give them the market presence to do this in the first place. Its the same thing with Windows. People will preach all day that they won't make any personal sacrifices to try to avoid feeding literal cancers that are eating the software industry and are shocked when said all consuming voids take aw…

And what do you expect us to do, install Linux and spend days configuring the touchpad? Computers are a tool we use to do our work. Setting up the computer cannot become a job by itself.

Use mouse. It works out of the box and more convenient anyway.

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by supernova87a »

Before declaring the end of the world, is there any official or even unofficial Apple information that can confirm all the explanations here correct and this was intended behavior? Or explain their position on it?

Discussions here seem to have had several thousand comments without obtaining this basic info. It would be good to know, I would think?

Re: Your Computer Isn't Yours

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Post by coldtea »

damnencryption wrote: post #114
rsanheim wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You pointed out a core problem here, and a common blindspot with the HN crowd: > continuing to use Apple/Google/Microsoft That is probably 98%+ of devices that most typical people use for everyday computing, across phone, laptop, and desktop. Whether it is an android device, an iPhone, a Dell laptop or a new M1 macbook you are beholden to a corporation that doesn't care about privacy. I would argue that Apple cares a…

> And before "have you tried this *nix distro??" comments appear, they are still too hard to setup and nowhere near as user-friendly for most people on an everyday basis. This isn't true. This perception continues to hurt the Linux community along with others. Use a properly supported -buntu distro and you are good.

>This isn't true. This perception continues to hurt the Linux community along with others. Use a properly supported -buntu distro and you are good.

And yet, unvariably people aren't good, and when they complain, they are told, "use this other distro" or whatever...

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