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CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Post by chrisco255 »

jcranmer wrote: post #63
garyrichardson wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canadian here. We still count ballots the old fashioned way and get our election results out the night of the election (typically). Presumably that scales linearly.. more voters means more ballot boxes and more officials counting and auditing. This seems like a solved problem to me. Why doesn't/wouldn't this work in the US? My guess is the complexity of your ballots -- we typically vote for one person and every coupl…

One of the main reasons it is taking so long is the volume of mail-in ballots is extremely high compared to prior elections. And on top of that, in several states, Republicans were adamant that vote tabulation not begin early to deal with this volume, with the entirely foreseeable result that counting took far longer than necessary.

Republicans wanted ballots to be tabulated up front. This is completely false. The debacle of overnight ballots showing up at the 11th hour past the closing of the polls is another reason to tabulate them as they come in.

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Post by Armisael16 »

garyrichardson wrote: post #98
jcranmer wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the main reasons it is taking so long is the volume of mail-in ballots is extremely high compared to prior elections. And on top of that, in several states, Republicans were adamant that vote tabulation not begin early to deal with this volume, with the entirely foreseeable result that counting took far longer than necessary.

Right. That's this year. What about the last 20 years of US elections?

What about them?

Presumably you’re thinking of Florida in 2000, where the margin of victory was 0.0092%, and thus exceptional care in counting was merited. As far as I can recall other national elections have been timely in the last 20 years.

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Post by jlgaddis »

0xy wrote: post #77
vga805 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you have a source for this? i don't doubt it's true, i am compiling evidence for claims like this

Sure, here's the source. [1] [1] https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/spalding-county-experiencin... "vendor for the machines notified them at 7:05 a.m. that there was a problem with an overnight update to the system" "They just said it was a glitch in the system"

I can't speak to this particular situation but it's worth noting that last-minute-just-before-polling-begins updates are the norm and happen pretty much every election.

In/around my hometown, for example, the voting machines are "securely" stored in between elections, until just before an election, when they get 'em out to set them up, test them, etc.

Whether they installed updates an hour before an electiion or two weeks before an election, it can still be made to sound "fishy" by anyone who wants it to.

"Why were they installing a so-called 'update' an hour before the polls open?" versus "Why were they installing so-called 'updates' on the voting machines two weeks before the election?"

Obviously, they were installing hacked firmware in either case, right?

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Post by jcranmer »

garyrichardson wrote: post #98
jcranmer wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the main reasons it is taking so long is the volume of mail-in ballots is extremely high compared to prior elections. And on top of that, in several states, Republicans were adamant that vote tabulation not begin early to deal with this volume, with the entirely foreseeable result that counting took far longer than necessary.

Right. That's this year. What about the last 20 years of US elections?

In most elections, the election results are clear by the time I go to bed normally.

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Post by ttul »

jungletime wrote: post #107

This can't be True, when 6000 votes where reversed in Michigan county from one of these machines. This is a fact. Not some made up BS. You either have a machine tallying the votes that works 100% of the time during the election. Otherwise, everyone can reasonably question the results from a machine that works 99% of the time. 6000 votes can't be going to the wrong candidates and the same time the election be "secure"…

You’re actually linking to a Sean Hannity segment on YouTube as your source?

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Post by chrisco255 »

jcranmer wrote: post #69
pstrateman wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every person legally allowed to vote should be able to vote. No votes should be cast by people not allowed to vote. Mail-in ballots are not secret ballots and that's dangerous. There's a reason a workplace cannot be unionized in the US without a true secret ballot.

Mail-in ballots are secret ballots. The way they work is that they have two envelopes: you put your ballot in the inner envelope, which has no indication of who is casting the ballot. All of that information is on the outer envelope. When processing the ballot, the information is checked on the outer envelope; once verified, the inner envelope is then handed to another station to be opened and fed into the counting m…

They're not secret at all. They can be canvassed and frequently are, by pushers who pressure people to vote a particular way.

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Post by mapme »

motohagiography wrote: post #41

Was there a reason CISA needed to release a statement? I haven't seen anything controversial in the news. As they say, if you have to say it... I have a few comments going back a couple of years predicting how electronic voting will cause civil unrest because it is so vulnerable to being discredited. Edward Snowden even recently tweeted a prof's video about the same thing. Everybody who had given the issue any seriou…

It has been all over the news in the US of trump claiming voter fraud. Apnews fact check has been full of the debunked claims in the last few days.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-joe-b...

https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-election-dead-voter...

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-tr...

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-us-news-m...

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-joe-b...

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Post by chrisco255 »

0xy wrote: post #77
vga805 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you have a source for this? i don't doubt it's true, i am compiling evidence for claims like this

Sure, here's the source. [1] [1] https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/spalding-county-experiencin... "vendor for the machines notified them at 7:05 a.m. that there was a problem with an overnight update to the system" "They just said it was a glitch in the system"

It's a joke to believe these systems are secure at all. We saw with Stuxnet how air gapped nuclear reactors could be hacked with USB drives. It's patently absurd. Even if you do test the equipment, there could be sleeper code that only runs on election day. It's absolutely nuts that we trust anything other than ink and paper with a fingerprint and signature.

Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Post by [deleted] »

ttul wrote: post #105
garyrichardson wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. But local, provincial and national elections are different events. Referendums are occasionally attached. Ballots are almost always one question for provincial and national.

And regardless, all elections are run by a non-partisan agency. Just like the health service, the police service, the fire service, and the garbage service.

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Re: CISA: The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history

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Post by dragonwriter »

shripadk wrote: post #94
dragonwriter wrote: post #62

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> I don't understand how you can say the Election was the "most secure" when you literally have a Court in Pennsylvania throw out 10,000 ballots! Because that wasn't an election security issue, and it wasn't (at least you source does not say it was) 10,000 ballots. “It is unclear how many ballots will be affected by the ruling, but [...] Philadelphia County, the largest county in the state, only flagged 2,100 ballots…

I answered in more detail here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25078905 > (at least you source does not say it was) 10,000 ballots It does. Quoting: "The U.S. Supreme Court could also still potentially invalidate Pennsylvania’s extended mail-in voting deadline, which allowed mail-in ballots postmarked by Election Day to be accepted as long as they were delivered by Friday, Nov. 6. That ruling would only affect…

The 10,000 ballots are, as the excerpt specifically says, a different set than those that have been invalidated that Trump is trying to get invalidated by the US Supreme Court, having already had that bid rejected in lower courts.

So, yes, the article mentions “10,000 ballots”, but not as having been pulled from counting by the judge in the case that has been decided that it was reporting on.

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