Get over it, it’s another architecture which is incompatible with x86/x64.
Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
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Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
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Right, lots of confusion in this thread. A12Z/DTK: HW does not support virtualization at all. Apple M1 / New Apple Products: HW does support virtualization for ARM64 guests (both windows and linux demonstrated). What about x86 software in the guestOS? Not with Rosetta. Instead, the guest OS will have to provide its own translation (such as windows/arm's current x86->arm64 or upcoming x86_64->arm64 feature). I'm not f…
This was a huge reason why I decided to go with a 16" MBP with an i9 vs the M1 today. I assume this will get worked out eventually , but as massive as Apple's gravity is in their ecosystem to pull apps along, they will have a much harder time against the massive library of x86 docker images.
I guess the flip side is that, hopefully, the Docker ecosystem will start getting a lot better at multi-arch, at least for x86-64 and ARM. I just ordered an M1 MBP and I'll be quite happy to start thwacking bugs in images and upstreaming the fixes.
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#153I'm actually tempted to get one of the new Macbook Airs. There's something intriguing and fun about navigating the brokenness of a new ecosystem. Does anybody know how Steam handles the new macs?
>>> Does anybody know how Steam handles the new macs? Games are mostly C++, based on my experience with C++ codebases I'd say there's about zero chance that a game could be (easily) recompiled and made to work on ARM. And games won't be ported anyway because it's too much work for too little sales, even if a developer really wanted to make it work they'd need a $2000 new mac to be able to compile/test in the first pl…
As someone who cross compiles C++ to arm (and others) as part of my $dayjob, I sincerely don't understand this comment. I would like to, as maybe there's something I misunderstand.
Ninja edit: I guess you're suggesting that some parts are in hand rolled x86 assembly, not just pure C++ that would be output as the cross compiler target architecture?
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#154While Docker support will surely come, this thread does give me the feeling that Docker on Apple Silicon Macs will take at least several more months still to be released. I would have expected Apple to be far more proactive in working with Docker, Inc., especially considering they namedropped Docker specifically at the WWDC Apple Silicon announcement. Apple has supplied virtualization capable hardware to certain deve…
A big part of this is that Docker Desktop is not open source/free software: it's closed and proprietary, so you're at the mercy of Apple/Docker to fix it.
(Additionally, it's terrible spyware, and sends ridiculous amounts of data back to Docker about your system, including network pcap logs(!).)
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
This was a huge reason why I decided to go with a 16" MBP with an i9 vs the M1 today. I assume this will get worked out eventually , but as massive as Apple's gravity is in their ecosystem to pull apps along, they will have a much harder time against the massive library of x86 docker images.
I guess the flip side is that, hopefully, the Docker ecosystem will start getting a lot better at multi-arch, at least for x86-64 and ARM. I just ordered an M1 MBP and I'll be quite happy to start thwacking bugs in images and upstreaming the fixes.
I naively assumed, until today, that the whole point of using linux in docker was that you get the multi-arch goodness of linux for free!
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
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If you can burn the cash then go for it, but unless these laptops can support something other than MacOS I'm (with a sad expression) staying away from them. Obviously if you just make websites it doesn't matter but if I'm buying an ARM device I want to play with the bare metal (you can't even access performance counters in MacOS IIRC)
May I ask what do you enjoy with a Macbook not running MacOS? I don't like Apple devices myself but I understand that some people like the ecosystem as a whole. However I don't understand the point of a Mac without MacOS. The hardware is pretty much garbage compared to any laptop of the same price range, let alone high-end laptops like Thinkpads. (this is a honest question and I am not trying to troll or make fun of…
Install Linux on them when MacOS is no longer supported on your machine, perhaps? If your laptop still works, you should still be able to use it even if it is no longer supported.
Also, many people like to work with dual boot devices. And no, virtualization is not the same.
The hardware is also not garbage. It may not be competitive, but it is well made.
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#157Why is this even a discussion? There are thousands of applications that don't (yet) work on Apple Silicon. When the hardware actually releases the software will be slowly ported over to it.
It seems to be a trend these days that if something doesn't work right, people take to the public internet in the hopes that it will be fixed faster. I've seen this tactic on internet forums with products, after which companies often contact the reviewer of said products to make things right.
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#158I'm actually tempted to get one of the new Macbook Airs. There's something intriguing and fun about navigating the brokenness of a new ecosystem. Does anybody know how Steam handles the new macs?
This is exactly the reason I picked up an iPad Pro earlier this year. I have ADHD that flares up pretty bad when I’m wading through the boring parts of a project and flipping through open windows, the Dock flashing at me, update notifications popping in randomly, and all the complexity that comes with a desktop OS just wore me down. Add in all the fun stuff 2020 has to offer and I just couldn’t take it anymore. Not t…
This sounds like you would actually _like_ the incompleteness of most linux window managers. On i3 you don't get update notifications, because by default notifications don't work!
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
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I think we made couple of expedient design decisions early on in our build process at work that is going to make producing multi-platform docker images a bit of a chore. I'm not looking forward to what happens on the next machine upgrade cycle. Probably we will end up with most people on the final generation of Intel Macbooks so we have a while to figure it out.
> Probably we will end up with most people on the final generation of Intel Macbooks so we have a while to figure it out. If the early story around performance of the M1 bears out, I suspect this won't be the case. If their CPU for the base MacBook Air trouncing higher end MacBook Pros, what kind of a beast will their higher end CPUs going to be? People who really need x86 compatibility will stick with x86 based Macs…
You realize most engineers write software that runs in production on x86 Linux, right?
All that performance is going to be used to run cloud based Linux x86 development environments. Repl.it and Github codespaces are the real winners with the move to Apple Silicon
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#160OT, but im curious if one could design a system that had multiple kinds of processors? like for instance an x86 and as well as an ARM? I'm imagining the OS would use one or the other but it could use the right processor based on the kind of application being executed, but also choose to use one that is under utilized through emulation if necessary. I suppose we do something like this when it comes to CPUs and GPUs already.