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Re: macOS Big Sur

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> - Actually decent dev tools (used to be terrible) As a daily user of Safari, I can't let you say that. The devtools suck. The network tools suck (why is it so hard to find the request payload??), the elements tools suck, there are basically no extensions (React, Redux, etc.). They are just horrible. As much as I try to use only Safari, I still fallback on Firefox Dev when I need some real devtools. I use it for the…

> consistent rendering issues This is because lazy/incompetent web developers make their sites in Chrome and don’t bother testing other browsers. You could have said the same about any browser that wasn’t IE a decade ago.

Not so much in macos but in ios safari is our constant pain. Most bugs we get are in ios and most of the times are because of bugs in safari engine and are unfixable.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Just want to put here that if you're using a Mac and haven't tried Safari recently, you're missing out. A few things: - Battery life is fantastic compared to Chrome/FF - Privacy seems to be top-notch - The tab ordering situation is now chrome-like (my biggest gripe in older versions of safari) - Experimental features are 1 click away, easily enable/disable WebGL2 - Support for the WebExtensions standard means addons…

loved safari for a long time now. people, especially the privacy focused set, do not give it enough credit.

the showstopper for me is lack of profiles. you can effectively have 2 profiles, one for 'safari' and one for the dev or preview edition. there's a very expensive (>$10) cookie switcher extension that would have the ability to effectively create profiles, but the need for that has escaped them. i actively inquired maybe 18 months ago and they had no inkling to work on that.

the other thing i like about recent chrome is the ability to have an extension only activate on click. this gives you a much higher assurance about it's safety.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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An observation on this discussion so far:

A big news story of a major new version of a significant OS, and the entire front page is a discussion about the browser.

For those that want to discuss other features: https://www.apple.com/macos/big-sur/features/

Or even more technically: https://developer.apple.com/macos/whats-new/

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Genuinely curious, why do you find it maddening? Is it just the feeling that it’s somehow messy? Wouldn’t bookmarking every page be a lot worse?

It’s like people who store EVERYTHING on their desktop in a huge unorganised pile. Yes, it works. It’s also maddening, like they’ve never even grasped the basic file operations.

I'm like that, and I really do believe I have "grasped the basic file operations"; maybe I just have a better grasp of the basic concepts of search, but I guess that's not the case, either; I have it like this because it fits my needs and preferences and works better, quicker, smoother for me, and in my case it's the result of decades of refining the way I use computers. Other people have different needs and preferences and that's absolutely fine as well, as far as I'm concerned. My "messy desktop" approach seems to be almost unbearable to some few people, though, and some very few seem to find it so unbearable that they have been outright aggressive about this in the past, and I really don't get that at all. But in case someone who feels like that reads this, here's my rationale:

I pretty much never ever see my desktop. I see my screensaver all the time, desktop never. I use spaces to separate tasks I'm working on and arrange windows to fill the screen, and they pretty much always do. I use the desktop mostly as a drop-off area for whatever it is I momentarily need; I drag and drop stuff there all the time, like images from Firefox. There are some directories, but at most two layers deep I think. I do archive stuff from time to time, but there are pretty much always multiple desktop grids worth of stuff on there.

That works really well because I only ever interact with the desktop via Finder (where I can just type the beginning of a name or use the datetime column or Spotlight set to search current directory per default), CLI (which has fd, ag etc.) or file pickers, though I tend to drag-and-drop more than I use "open file" dialogs. Relying on those is much faster and more intuitive for me than thinking up some kind of organisation scheme for dozens of unrelated activities that don't seem to fit into a single scheme very well, and organising everything accordingly, when I'm in the "zone" and would rather not have to think about where to place this particular file. I find it hard to remember such schemes, but I pretty much always know when and how I created something, so a chronological view of everything at once is very helpful. Software work is somewhat more organised (~/workspace and a lot of git repos in there), and data sets are very neatly organised (it doesn't work any other way), but most other things live somewhere on the desktop (or in some kind of searchable cloud).

As I see it, as long as I find whatever I need quickly, which I do, why would I "tidy up" those imaginary "folder" things? It's not like they have much in common with physical ordering aids (like folders), where you have to structure things rigidly or else never find a thing, and even there, you often don't structure things very deeply – who puts physical folders inside folders inside folders? My hand tools are organized pretty neatly, but if I could just say "8mm wrench" in the direction of my toolbox and magically hold it in my hand, or magically have all my tools neatly arranged by name, date-of-purchase, type, or just say "wrench for that nut" and find it ... I daresay my toolbox would be a lot messier. Can't do that, so I must put in the work. Where I don't have to, and can keep the chaos out of sight, I won't.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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I released iTerm2 version 3.4.0 this morning with Big Sur support. Please update because 3.3 has various issues with it.

I just ran "Check for Updates" and it gave me this remarkable message: "iTerm2 3.1.7 is currently the newest version available. (You are currently running version 3.3.12.)" Wat?

Exact same for me.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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post #166

Just want to put here that if you're using a Mac and haven't tried Safari recently, you're missing out. A few things: - Battery life is fantastic compared to Chrome/FF - Privacy seems to be top-notch - The tab ordering situation is now chrome-like (my biggest gripe in older versions of safari) - Experimental features are 1 click away, easily enable/disable WebGL2 - Support for the WebExtensions standard means addons…

> - Actually decent dev tools (used to be terrible) As a daily user of Safari, I can't let you say that. The devtools suck. The network tools suck (why is it so hard to find the request payload??), the elements tools suck, there are basically no extensions (React, Redux, etc.). They are just horrible. As much as I try to use only Safari, I still fallback on Firefox Dev when I need some real devtools. I use it for the…

That’s why I keep Firefox around as well. Surf in Safari and work in Firefox or Chrome.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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post #552

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I would propose that the issue is that browser history navigation is generally poorly designed, at least if you want to do something more sophisticated than hit “back” or search it as a set of URLs. It should be richer and store much more details about each entry.

I'm not sure how to improve history navigation to help with this, as the browser doesn't know which 1 in 20 history entries are worth finding again, and which are junk traversed on the way to something worth finding. It can't figure it out from content search, because the junk is often the stuff that resulted from useful searches and was assessed by the user as not worth keeping. Keeping tabs is a signal from the use…

It shouldn't even be a "hard" problem any more. Search and relevance are mature technologies. You do need to provide some features, but there are many: time spent interacting with tabs, was it a "terminus" in a navigation session, active user marking/tagging, signals from other users, other products, etc. It would be an excellent use of ML. The rest is capturing these in a user friendly product, though if it makes Megacorp no more ad money, I doubt anyone will work on it however useful it may be.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Twice bitten, thrice shy. Every MacOS upgrade for the past 5+ years has been a bag of hurt: regressions in functionality and stability, annoying "features" like Notification Center and Catalina warning nags, various PITAs on fixing UNIX/dev toolchains, all for little to no benefit. I've stopped upgrading all my machines (other than security updates), unless forced by a mission-critical app or a new machine.

I'm still on Mojave and it's okay honestly. It does everything I need my OS to do. I see no benefit in upgrading to Catalina, especially with it not supporting 32-bit apps and introducing new annoyances under the guise of "security", and Big Sur doesn't (officially) run on my computer at all.

Granular app permissions are a huge thing for me; I really like being able to keep certain apps from having e.g. full disk access or camera access. Plus sidecar, as sibling already mentioned.

Re: macOS Big Sur

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Just want to put here that if you're using a Mac and haven't tried Safari recently, you're missing out. A few things: - Battery life is fantastic compared to Chrome/FF - Privacy seems to be top-notch - The tab ordering situation is now chrome-like (my biggest gripe in older versions of safari) - Experimental features are 1 click away, easily enable/disable WebGL2 - Support for the WebExtensions standard means addons…

All this good, but I'm sorry, I can't breath without ublock origin
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