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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by valuearb » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:41 PM UTC

erdos4d wrote: post #185

valuearb wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it scary that your computer checks for malware? It’s not like Apple us building a database of apps you’ve launched linked to your address and social security number.

> Why is it scary that your computer checks for malware? It isn't just checking for malware, its broadcasting your app opening behavior to apple and anyone else who might be listening. > It’s not like Apple us building a database of apps you’ve launched linked to your address and social security number. You know this how? Seriously, I don't get why you would believe that.

Because Apple would not benefit from doing so, I’m fact could be hugely damaged doing so.

They don’t have any significant advertising business. They don’t need to collect any personally identifiable information. They’ve promoted their brand by putting their customers privacy first.

So why would you believe they would intentionally risk all of that here?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by drilldrive » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:42 PM UTC

This demonstrates the limits of Apple's campaign towards vertical integration of their services. Once they make a simple mistake on their part, you are at the mercy of Apple to make it right again.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by hnick » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:42 PM UTC

freeone3000 wrote: post #145

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #139

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I will be a full on linux junkie when that happens.

It IS, though. SmartScreen on Windows doesn't check binaries created on the same machine, but you'll get flagged if you move the untrusted binary to another machine you own.

I'm not sure what they call it, but Windows does get in the way for things you compile on your own machine. I compiled the JuicyPotato exploit and tried to copy it to another local folder and got error 0x800700E1 and the EXE went missing.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by mlindner » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:43 PM UTC

elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

> software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down

The central company server didn't go down. If it was down there would be no problem. The problem is that the server is slow.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by jason0597 » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:43 PM UTC

Aperocky wrote: post #172

habitue wrote: post #121

I feel like even Richard Stallman would have had a hard time imagining non-free operating systems would result in this. Use linux folks! It doesn't communicate with a third party when a process starts up!

It's just sad that we don't have the corresponding form factor in a similar laptop. The biggest draw of mac: 1. slim, light 2. long battery life. 3. track pad. That's all I want, but nobody else offers it on the same spec, the difference is even bigger with M1.

What's wrong with a Thinkpad?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by burnthrow » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:43 PM UTC

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #186

paxys wrote: post #144

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By then it will be too late

I highly doubt corporate interests could eliminate linux. It just will be very difficult to use though no doubt.

I've gotten quite good at recognizing crosswalks, fire hydrants, chimneys and the like. Though I refuse to identify that one mailbox as a "parking meter" even if it means another trial to prove my humanity. Users of the platform get treated as spammers already.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by Aperocky » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:44 PM UTC

Symbiote wrote: post #222

Aperocky wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just sad that we don't have the corresponding form factor in a similar laptop. The biggest draw of mac: 1. slim, light 2. long battery life. 3. track pad. That's all I want, but nobody else offers it on the same spec, the difference is even bigger with M1.

It is strange how many people will sacrifice so much for free speech and the right to bear arms (like tolerating school shootings and foreign interference in elections), but offer them the "freedom OS" and they'll pick the slightly better trackpad. Does no one here have principles?

I didn't say I was that kind of people.

Your description of them was also not exactly flattering.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by zmmmmm » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:44 PM UTC

simonbarker87 wrote: post #232

elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

I have no problem with checking binaries when I launch them for security. I imagine many of the virus checking apps for windows probably call home with similar information. I doubt very much I’m leaky in any personal information. What is frustrating is they didn’t handle this situation like they do if I’m offline - don’t get a ping back in less than 500ms or whatever? Go ahead and open anyway. would have solved this…

> don’t get a ping back in less than 500ms or whatever? Go ahead and open anyway

how do you do that without defeating the security? Now a malicious attacker just has to wait for a moment when you aren't connected before launching their payload.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by mediaman » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:44 PM UTC

merb wrote: post #216

draebek wrote: post #41

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Note that it's ocsp.apple.com, not oSCp.apple.com.

dns is case insensitive

it's transposed, not case difference

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by elmo2you » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 10:44 PM UTC

strawberrypuree wrote: post #226

elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

This is a soft failure. If the computer didn't have access to the Internet, it would still open.

That's all nice and well, but what if some country decides that your country will still have Internet access, but a "degraded experience" to Apple's central infrastructure?

Still sounds to me like Apple rolled out a huge (logical) trojan horse, as a potential weapon in terms of nation state cyber warfare.

Probably not at all with that intention. But I doubt that any government willing to abuse this "opportunity" will give a fuck about that. Don't underestimate the power (and disruptive) effects of being able to practically disable a whole brand of popular computer hardware. Heck, even the ability to threaten with it (privately, through diplomatic channels) can (and probably should) be considered a serious weapon. So yeah .. "thank you" Apple.