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post #161

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Pedophiles, spammers, and scammers are still citizens.

I mean it's possible that they're alt account created on a whim rather than ones that represent actual people. Law enforcement could have requested information from about a few people who each created thousands of accounts, for example.

What's the criteria for an account being labeled as an alt acocunt or not? It's still created/owned by a citizen.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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post #62

If this is a surprise to you, it shouldn't be. Phones (android or apple) are sugar-coated tracking devices. The point of them, is that they externalise the internal. They were planned to make your private information into a commodity. It also shouldn't be a surprised that no action will taken against them. Corporations are the government. Well, 'they' might even put up a show of pretence in "punishing" a corporation.…

> Its a sad story, but until a majority of people are on board with the idea that corporations/media/government are different sides of the same beast, nothing will change. Government is slavery. You are (or should be) your own master. Self-sovereignty is what you need. If you ever wonder why we think "anarchy is chaos", its because to the government, it is! But to me, its just the beginning. You went from 0 to 100 in…

I did go from 0-100. Sorry - but I'm glad I caught your interest.

If we were on a desert island, and I were to ask you to give me 40% of your income/produce and take out loans from me to buy your hut and donkey, you would rightly refuse. If I and 5 others where to do the same, you might consent, but you wouldn't think it was right. The system we have though - that no one asked for or signed into - is a system people actually think this is right!! And they will fight to maintain it. It is a slavery system, where because the criminals are so far away, unperceived by most, and tv and schooling (owned by those criminals) tells them it is right, and everyone else is going along with the insanity, well, we say 'I guess that it is right, it's what humans are' etc. Justifying the unjustifiable.

'Self-sovereignty' to me, is being able to say that you are responsible for yourself, and to mean it. Try it in the mirror! If you are unconvinced, you are not sovereign. This is not to say you need to lord it over others - far from it. It's that you treat yourself as an individual, and are responsible for yourself and your actions. You get rid of the cognitive dissonance as you reason things out. But you need to go all the way.

Accepting the authority of any other over your own experience and judgement, is to have made a grave error of personal judgement. (I don't mean refusing to accept the worthy advise of your mechanic over what to do with your car btw.) I mean being told something and ignoring your own reasoning and accepting theirs. To a reasonable person, it should be possible for someone to share evidence and allow you to make up your mind and get your agreement if what is requested is reasonable. If it is unreasonable you should be able to refuse. But our system is entirely unreasonable. If you are in the US, did you agree to the constitution, to be an American citizen? Were you - a free man under God - invited to join this club? The system is about manipulation and covert use of force and fear. It has an appeal - it is comforting (and easier) to think that someone else has this - but in fact, only you do.

'Might makes right' in this system (a system I think it has been in place for 100s of years). At some point those with the might want not to fight, or be hassled, or even known. 'They' set up a system to train those it has subjugated that this situation is right (education). No, education is not about improving those that go through its system - as you may have noticed. It is about making the men that suit the system and play the game.

Individually, people are lovely and cannot conceive of the breadth of the scam and lie that they are living. We are happy joyful creatures, but we have been turned inside out. And the loss of privacy is another example. They cannot conceive that education is 15 years of mind moulding, that the health industry is about making them unwell, that the media is about keeping them uninformed, that science is religion masquerading as reason, etc. But there it is. If you look and do your own research - and you have to do your own research - you will see what I mean.

All the best.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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post #68

If this is a surprise to you, it shouldn't be. Phones (android or apple) are sugar-coated tracking devices. The point of them, is that they externalise the internal. They were planned to make your private information into a commodity. It also shouldn't be a surprised that no action will taken against them. Corporations are the government. Well, 'they' might even put up a show of pretence in "punishing" a corporation.…

> If you ever wonder why we think "anarchy is chaos", its because to the government, it is! Meanwhile in places without functioning government things are rosy, Yemen, Somalia, Syria, the DRC, the CAR, Afghanistan outside of Kabul, rural parts of Nigeria, etc. Places with functioning governments like Finland and New Zealand are hellholes.

Those 'backward' countries are hardly untouched by 'democracy' though, are they?

What does it mean that a prison is quiet? Is it that prisoners love their subservience? Or that there are well armed guards. For NZ, it is certainly slave mindedness - the belief is the goodness of government and the Queen is strong.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Its a sad story, but until a majority of people are on board with the idea that corporations/media/government are different sides of the same beast, nothing will change. Government is slavery. You are (or should be) your own master. Self-sovereignty is what you need. If you ever wonder why we think "anarchy is chaos", its because to the government, it is! But to me, its just the beginning. You went from 0 to 100 in…

I did go from 0-100. Sorry - but I'm glad I caught your interest. If we were on a desert island, and I were to ask you to give me 40% of your income/produce and take out loans from me to buy your hut and donkey, you would rightly refuse. If I and 5 others where to do the same, you might consent, but you wouldn't think it was right. The system we have though - that no one asked for or signed into - is a system people…

Your comment is hopelessly naive. There will always be grifters, conmen, thieves, etc and anarchy only empowers them.

Every nice place in the world is one with a well functioning , transparent and accountable hierarchy.

Your "solution" doesn't scale to millions of people.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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post #26

Just using GMail could help Google to find your approx. location 7/24. Your phone checking emails all the time, so google knows your ip.

Not just your current location, but where you've been and where you will be going. If you are traveling, moving, changing jobs, etc, you probably had some interaction via emails.

If you had access to a significant portion of a country/world's emails, imagine the power you truly have.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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post #45
post #20

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Try not to imagine everyone sees the world through your eyes.

This is hn, I expect the content of the article to be obvious to everyone here.

Yes, that is correct. But, this article was posted on Vice and then shared to hacker news. To its primary audience, this is mind blowing.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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post #127

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Apple Maps doesn’t sell that data to advertisers. And they collect much less than Google.

Last I checked Google didn't sell data to anyone either. I'm also interested in the claim that Apple Maps collects less data in this respect - they both report your current location for traffic analysis and have your day-to-day movement option available (the same that powers Find My Friends on iOS). Are you sure you're just not rationalizing Apples collection? It's kinda important to be realistic when it comes to pri…

On iPhone your location history (they call it Significant Locations) is "end-to-end encrypted and cannot be read be Apple".

There's still the "Product Improvement > Routing and Traffic" toggle (enabled by default) but I'd be surprised if this isn't anonymized and/or scrubbed frequently.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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post #41

Your convenience at the expense of your privacy. I personally think it's great that I can lookup what I did two months ago thanks to Google services. I adblock and disable as much ad tracking as possible but I'm pretty happy with how useful google services are for my day to day errands. It reminds me of places I went two years ago that I couldn't remember without it. I find it strange people complain about it, yet st…

> Everyone is entitled to make their choice of what phone they buy. Technology is becoming more capital-intensive MUCH more rapidly than the total amount of capital in the economy is growing. As a result, the economy can support fewer and fewer choices as time goes on. We're already at the point where there are only one-and-a-half companies selling LTE modem chips. All the good phones use Qualcomm's chips. The only o…

While I support your argument, the brand damage caused to the company if they were found out to be doing so would be massive.

I don't think it's useful for an arguments point of view to speculate that a chipset company has already built in backdoors to their products.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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post #41

Your convenience at the expense of your privacy. I personally think it's great that I can lookup what I did two months ago thanks to Google services. I adblock and disable as much ad tracking as possible but I'm pretty happy with how useful google services are for my day to day errands. It reminds me of places I went two years ago that I couldn't remember without it. I find it strange people complain about it, yet st…

You complain about air pollution yet you still breathe? How hypocritical!

Ahh strawman. Well done.

Breathing is a requirement for life. Owning an android phone isn't.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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post #41

Your convenience at the expense of your privacy. I personally think it's great that I can lookup what I did two months ago thanks to Google services. I adblock and disable as much ad tracking as possible but I'm pretty happy with how useful google services are for my day to day errands. It reminds me of places I went two years ago that I couldn't remember without it. I find it strange people complain about it, yet st…

The complaint is that there are few viable alternatives. Whenever one does arise, Google or another tech behemoth buys it, eg Waze. Trust me, I am aware of the conflict. I hate Google with a passion, yet I still use some of their services. I feel sick doing it, but sometimes the convenience is worth my nausea.

Your last statement reflects my post entirely.

This contradiction is your problem, not Googles. They will continue to make money off you and me. The only difference is I don't get the nausea.

Until you show me something REALLY dodgy they're are doing, I'll keep using their services.

As I mentioned before, I'm aware they sell my behaviour as advertising data to companies. On my end I block as much advertising as possible so I find it's a useless strategy product teams pushing things onto me.

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