I'm actually tempted to get one of the new Macbook Airs. There's something intriguing and fun about navigating the brokenness of a new ecosystem. Does anybody know how Steam handles the new macs?
> intriguing and fun
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Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
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Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#32The first AS Macs are targeted at people who don't need things like docker. Eventually all the support needed will be available. It's a two year transition, you have to start somewhere.
That's what I'd assumed too which is why a M1 Macbook Pro was a bit of a surprise.
It's the lower tier MBP though - it replaces the "two port" one. The "four port" one is still Intel.
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#33Is it going to be interesting to see how new Apple machines running ARM based processors plays out.
Writing code, and building docker images locally on ARM and building and running the same code on X86 in production could potentially, in some circumstances cause some issues. If not, it's a bit of a pain to potentially build and publish x86 and ARM images so that people can run them anywhere (Some projects are already doing this). Running production on ARM could work if you wanted to, but right now the instance types are very restricted in terms of different combinations of cpu/disk/io.
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#34Perhaps is time to stop virtualizing to run containerized software! Someone said WebAssembly? :P
Here we go... Boot your container host in the browser! https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=archlinux
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#35I think Docker for Mac should just use x86 emulation for the time being -- apparently the new Apple chips don't support virtualization? x86 emulation gives access to most available Docker images anyways -- and the performance of the new CPUs would seems to indicate that emulation may not be so terrible, at least for the short term.
The M1 supports virtualization. The comment in question was talking about the older DTK CPU. A full VM with x86 emulation is not supported though, and from the sounds of it will never be.
Never seems like a long time. Why would it be impossible to implement x86 emulation with virtualization?
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#36Is it going to be interesting to see how new Apple machines running ARM based processors plays out. Writing code, and building docker images locally on ARM and building and running the same code on X86 in production could potentially, in some circumstances cause some issues. If not, it's a bit of a pain to potentially build and publish x86 and ARM images so that people can run them anywhere (Some projects are already…
I wonder if this will drive z move to deploy on arm based cloud instances like aws has arm based vms for ec2
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#37Is it going to be interesting to see how new Apple machines running ARM based processors plays out. Writing code, and building docker images locally on ARM and building and running the same code on X86 in production could potentially, in some circumstances cause some issues. If not, it's a bit of a pain to potentially build and publish x86 and ARM images so that people can run them anywhere (Some projects are already…
> building docker images locally on ARM and running it on X86 in production could potentially, in some circumstances cause some issues.
Won't it always cause issues? If you build locally you are packaging ARM binaries in zfs which won't run on x86... unless you somehow signal to docker that you want a different arch when building
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#38This link is a little confusing because the top comment and much of the conversation is talking about the DTK which was based on the much older A12X CPU and not the M1. As far as I can tell, the M1 does have virtualization support, Docker just isn't ported yet. Update: Also, from Apple docs it seems like you won't be able to run emulation and virtualization in the same process. So you can run x86 Mac apps, but it's l…
Also, it seems Apple demoed Docker on Apple Silicon at WWDC: https://twitter.com/0xtim/status/1326980313160032256?s=21
I know they demoed Linux virtualization at WWDC, but I don't recall Docker. I could easily be mistaken though.
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#39I'm actually tempted to get one of the new Macbook Airs. There's something intriguing and fun about navigating the brokenness of a new ecosystem. Does anybody know how Steam handles the new macs?
That’s why I got the Pro (also my laptop is from 2013 and I’m desperate). I love and use Docker every day, and know it’s a mess right now, but I’m still excited to jump in head first.
Edit: This is my personal laptop fwiw. My work one is still Intel.
Re: Docker fails to launch on Apple Silicon
#40"Not yet. The OS has the virtualisation functions, but the Apple chips don't have virtualisation support yet." This is strangely a really big selling point for me as a habit breaker. I spent a good part of the release evening whining about the pitiful memory and the cost of the devices but I am regretting that on reflection. Why? Well I just spent two days arguing with problems with Microsoft's fucked up shit show of…
FWIW, that comment was referencing the A12Z in the DTK, not the M1 CPU. It's less clear where the M1 sits on this issue and whether Docker can be ported.
Yes, and someone commented later that A14 does have virtualization in hardware so this issue might actually be fixable in software?