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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

winrid wrote: post #984
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #892

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Exactly - I'd guess the majority of Macbook Airs are used for surfing, email, writing a presentation etc. not developing.

For this 8gb is fine though right? I get the idea - we want Apple to push the bar. But my 2011 4gb MacBook Air with Catalina does those things fine... swapping to an SSD is reasonably fast.

Yes - I'm developing on an 8gb 2013 MacBook Air - I'd like more RAM, but it is about doable.

But in general MacBook Airs are not developer or video editing machines and they're not speced for that.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by KronisLV »

botverse wrote: post #985
KronisLV wrote: post #963

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While Java GC on Android may not always be optimal in regards to memory utilization (given that there are other concerns) and AFAIK doesn't allow tuning like you can do for enterprise Java apps it seems like quite a few improvements have been made over time and many GC implementations have resulted from this: https://proandroiddev.com/collecting-the-garbage-a-brief-his... Personally, i'd look at how common cross-plat…

The Native UI in React Native is where Native comes from in the name. Nothing to do with an electron app which is a full fledged browser with a node process attached to it. Not a fair comparison by large

And yet, that is not the case! While ReactNative might not result in quite as big of a performance penalty as embedding a browser engine, its performance can still be worse than actual native apps, given that it adds additional abstractions to make developer's lives easier and allow for cross-platform development: https://medium.com/swlh/flutter-vs-react-native-vs-native-de...

While one could argue that there aren't that many visually driven experiences like that out in the wild, the benchmarks still prove that most abstractions have drawbacks.

Of course, there are good reasons for using them, which is also why many choose even the previously mentioned Electron platform for development, instead of something like Qt/GTK on desktop.

But for the discussion at hand, it simply serves as a suggestion that there's more at play here than just "Java uses a lot of memory and can be slow".

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by dasKrokodil »

waterhouse wrote: post #358
dasKrokodil wrote: post #344

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Wasn't the latest Intel-based MacBook Air fanless as well?

No; I have one. (Perhaps you're thinking of the 12-inch Macbook, which was fanless, and which they stopped manufacturing a year ago.) And I go to extremes to keep the fan from spinning up: using Turbo Boost Switcher, and/or running a program that repeatedly does the equivalent of "kill -STOP" and "kill -CONT" to a process, hundreds of times per second, to force it to use less CPU.

Ah OK, thanks for the clarification. Yes, the MacBook was the fanless one. I wonder why they stopped making it?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by Matthias1 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #724
Matthias1 wrote: post #374

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I have a MacBookPro15,2 (2019, with T2), on which I duel boot Arch Linux. It is perfectly usable. The hardware support is not great. In particular, resuming from suspend is very slow, and I haven't gotten the built-in mic to work. And getting the system to work did require using a patched Linux kernel installed from Github. So not easy, but possible. Your claims about "dismal then and only got worse" are unfounded. T…

Am I wrong to think the T2 means Linux can't access the built in hard drive and you are dual booting from an external drive?

Yes. There’s nothing preventing me from accessing the internal SSD.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by bfrog »

Baeocystin wrote: post #392
bfrog wrote: post #357

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My T460 has had 32GB in it for years now... can't even imagine going back to 16GB with all this electron bullcrap

I finally switched to 32GiB this year, and man, what a difference. I hadn't thought I was all that constrained by 16, but now that I'm not, all the edge cases where that was the pain point are thrown in to relief.

Yeah like running 2 electron apps and chrome

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by lavp »

callamdelaney wrote: post #150

I'll be sticking with my 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13". Great machine, not too thin, heavy enough, no stupid touch screen, usb ports, great keyboard. Everything apple has done since hasn't compared.

Same boat as you, but for some reason with the new MacOS update my computer kept getting the most random freezes to the point where I gave up and gave it a fresh Linux install. Haven’t looked back and I’m extremely happy with the work I’ve been putting into it.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by waterhouse »

dasKrokodil wrote: post #993
waterhouse wrote: post #358

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No; I have one. (Perhaps you're thinking of the 12-inch Macbook, which was fanless, and which they stopped manufacturing a year ago.) And I go to extremes to keep the fan from spinning up: using Turbo Boost Switcher, and/or running a program that repeatedly does the equivalent of "kill -STOP" and "kill -CONT" to a process, hundreds of times per second, to force it to use less CPU.

Ah OK, thanks for the clarification. Yes, the MacBook was the fanless one. I wonder why they stopped making it?

Perhaps because they knew they were going to release a fanless 13-inch Macbook Air.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #815
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #807

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The vast majority of laptops in the $999 range are bought by people that only need "devices that only my mother would use"

Not true at all. Maybe in the US but not elsewhere. I know more than a few developers that work on sub $999 laptops/machines. Specifically Dell/Lenovo laptops seems to be the go to, since they can get them with 16GB RAM + 1TB hdd + non-discrete gfx, then they just swap out the hdd with 256/512GB ssd. About half of all my dev friends have given up on laptops (specifically apple gear, incl iPhone) and ALL of them built…

I didn't say that developers don't buy $999 laptops I said that the majority of $999 laptops are bought by non developers.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by robertlagrant »

viraptor wrote: post #851
robertlagrant wrote: post #800

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This is a confusing comment. If your mother doesn't need more than 8GB RAM, why should she have to pay for more? It's not as though you can't order more if you want it. It wouldn't force the industry to offer more. It would just mean purchasers such as your mother wouldn't buy a Mac.

> It's not as though you can't order more if you want it. You can't upgrade it on new Mac laptops. The ram is basically fully integrated in the system now. You can do 16gb for silly high price, but that's also not massive these days.

Agreed, but I'm talking about ordering more initially. As in it's not a bad idea to have 2 options instead of one.
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