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Pippi and the Moomins

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Re: Pippi and the Moomins

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Post by gspr »

waihtis wrote: post #27
goto11 wrote: post #4

If you are curious about the Moomins, be aware that a lot of low quality material have been created by the estate which inherited the rights. Look for the books written and illustrated by Tove Jansson. They are some of the best Scandinavian literature and the illustrations are amazing. Jansson also illustrated some books by other authors, for example The Hobbit: https://imgur.com/gallery/njtkL

For folks with kids, I'd like to add the Finnish-Japanese-Dutch TV-series "Moomin." It is an iconic TV show here in Finland and generally quite good quality. It is of course a bit old by now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomin_(1990_TV_series)

It's also a foundation of childhood memories for 90s kids here in Norway (albeit with voiceovers, as we tend to do for children's stuff). I can still hum the intro tune. And perfectly hear the sound the moomins make when they go from standstill to moving. And the Groke still creeps me out, and anyone my age gets a reference to that character right away! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Groke

Re: Pippi and the Moomins

#32

Post by jfk13 »

1123581321 wrote: post #23

Also check out Lindgren’s Emil series of books. They’re about a boy on a farm whose curiosity, energy and prankster imagination keep getting him into trouble. He is not super powered, just full human. Very funny, and poignant in perhaps the way Calvin & Hobbes can be.

Yes! They're wonderful, and nowhere near as well-known as they deserve to be.

Re: Pippi and the Moomins

#33

Post by gspr »

1123581321 wrote: post #23

Also check out Lindgren’s Emil series of books. They’re about a boy on a farm whose curiosity, energy and prankster imagination keep getting him into trouble. He is not super powered, just full human. Very funny, and poignant in perhaps the way Calvin & Hobbes can be.

EEEEeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEmiiiiiiil! Förgrömmade unge!

Re: Pippi and the Moomins

#34

Post by michaelleland »

gspr wrote: post #33
1123581321 wrote: post #23

Also check out Lindgren’s Emil series of books. They’re about a boy on a farm whose curiosity, energy and prankster imagination keep getting him into trouble. He is not super powered, just full human. Very funny, and poignant in perhaps the way Calvin & Hobbes can be.

EEEEeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEmiiiiiiil! Förgrömmade unge!

Vi bor i USA men vi kallar fortfarande vår pojke "Emil" när han spelar rollen.

Re: Pippi and the Moomins

#35

Post by rags2riches »

tokai wrote: post #26
krstffr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is also absolutley filled with the n-word (at least my Swedish edition from the 90's), which always makes for an interesting challenge having to censor and come up with alternative words as you go.

I know it's not that much better, but it's not the actual n-word right?

The Swedish word used in Pippi, until recent editions, was "neger" which has historically been used comparably to the English "negro" but also as a slur more comparable to the English "nigger".

The Swedish phrase "n-ordet" ("the n-word") covers both the Swedish words "neger" and "nigger". The former was considered correct at one time. To my knowledge, the latter was always a slur, in Swedish.

So there is bound to be some imprecision when discussing this topic across the two languages if one does not want to type out the full words even in their meta use.

It is not hard to find examples of meta uses of "neger" in respected sources from just a few years ago. "N-ordet" is a quite recent import, obviously influenced by the American "the n-word".

Re: Pippi and the Moomins

#36

Post by andi999 »

DanBC wrote: post #18
twic wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a native English speaker, and i understand "prude" to be mostly related to sex.

Yes, that's how it's mostly used today. But here are some dictionary definitions. OED (I've cut the examples) > prude, a. and n. > A. adj. That maintains or affects extreme propriety of speech and behaviour, especially in regard to the relations of the sexes; excessively modest, demure, or prim; prudish: usually applied adversely. Now rare. [...] > prude, a. and n. > (pruːd)[a. mod.F. prude adj. and n., said of a wom…

But isnt the article from recent times?

Re: Pippi and the Moomins

#37

Post by sorokod »

tokai wrote: post #26
krstffr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is also absolutley filled with the n-word (at least my Swedish edition from the 90's), which always makes for an interesting challenge having to censor and come up with alternative words as you go.

I know it's not that much better, but it's not the actual n-word right?

In Russian "негритянский король" - "king of the negroes"

Re: Pippi and the Moomins

#38

Post by DanBC »

andi999 wrote: post #36
DanBC wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's how it's mostly used today. But here are some dictionary definitions. OED (I've cut the examples) > prude, a. and n. > A. adj. That maintains or affects extreme propriety of speech and behaviour, especially in regard to the relations of the sexes; excessively modest, demure, or prim; prudish: usually applied adversely. Now rare. [...] > prude, a. and n. > (pruːd)[a. mod.F. prude adj. and n., said of a wom…

But isnt the article from recent times?

Yes. Mostly when people say "prude" they are talking about sex, but not always.

Re: Pippi and the Moomins

#40

Post by roi »

gspr wrote: post #31
waihtis wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For folks with kids, I'd like to add the Finnish-Japanese-Dutch TV-series "Moomin." It is an iconic TV show here in Finland and generally quite good quality. It is of course a bit old by now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomin_(1990_TV_series)

It's also a foundation of childhood memories for 90s kids here in Norway (albeit with voiceovers, as we tend to do for children's stuff). I can still hum the intro tune. And perfectly hear the sound the moomins make when they go from standstill to moving. And the Groke still creeps me out, and anyone my age gets a reference to that character right away! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Groke

A wonderful video that references several children animes of that time, including the Moomins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJSk3sh3zlo
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