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Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by colinmhayes »

lmilcin wrote: post #854
selectodude wrote: post #843

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>If you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. Until Intel stops making huge amounts of money, I'm not sure, as a company, they're in huge trouble. Apple isn't going to be selling the M1 to other companies and other companies have proven they don't have the mettle to spend what Apple is spending to make chips like this. Really, AMD should be a little worried since they have some counterparty r…

Stock value is a view on future, not current financial situation of the company, with relation to what existing market thinks it is going to be. By buying stock you say: I believe the company is going to be better than the market thinks it is going to be.

And the market currently has intel at a price/earning of 9. Pretty much the lowest of any tech company. If you have any semblance of hope for intel it's a solid buy.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by selectodude »

lmilcin wrote: post #854
selectodude wrote: post #843

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>If you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. Until Intel stops making huge amounts of money, I'm not sure, as a company, they're in huge trouble. Apple isn't going to be selling the M1 to other companies and other companies have proven they don't have the mettle to spend what Apple is spending to make chips like this. Really, AMD should be a little worried since they have some counterparty r…

Stock value is a view on future, not current financial situation of the company, with relation to what existing market thinks it is going to be. By buying stock you say: I believe the company is going to be better than the market thinks it is going to be.

Stock value is a view on whatever people want to think it is. If you look at pure financials, INTC is very undervalued. It's a dividend stock, it's trading at a PE of 9. Do we really think that Intel has lower growth potential than Exxon or AT&T?

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by rhys91 »

bichiliad wrote: post #18

I've been holding onto my late 2013 15" MacBook Pro for almost 7 years now and it's wild to see it get absolutely out-spec'd by the MacBook Air. It's been a long time, but I've always convinced myself that I'm not missing out on that big of a processor improvement. I do a lot of audio work with it, but even then it doesn't always feel like a slow experience.

Can also vouch for this. I've been working with a late 2012 Retina MacBook Pro and it's been an indestructible workhorse for me.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by DrScientist »

wildrhythms wrote: post #806
wffurr wrote: post #685

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- Starts at $999 for the base laptop version. You can get much cheaper still good Windows laptops.

In my experience, Microsoft and PC laptop manufacturers still haven't figured out how to make a trackpad that works as well as a 2008 era Macbook.

Yep, though sadly, in my view, the current line up of Macbooks trackpads aren't as good as the 2008 era Macbooks either....

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by colinmhayes »

typon wrote: post #846
sz4kerto wrote: post #842

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The industry is not moving _this fast_. Intel still has many-many opportunities (and years) to catch up. > If you still own any Intel stock it is probably good time to dump it. The market already has the information you have, so it is unlikely that your evaluation of Intel's expected future profits is significantly better/more insightful that others'.

> The market already has the information you have, so it is unlikely that your evaluation of Intel's expected future profits is significantly better/more insightful that others' This is religion

Except there's actual math to back it up. Doesn't mean it's true, but there's an argument other than faith.

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Post by selectodude »

sz4kerto wrote: post #852
typon wrote: post #846

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> The market already has the information you have, so it is unlikely that your evaluation of Intel's expected future profits is significantly better/more insightful that others' This is religion

I am not saying the market is perfect, etc., just that looking at benchmarks and deciding that the stock must be overvalued because the benchmarks don't look good is an oversimplification.

"According to the analysts at Geekbench, Intel is doomed."

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by CedarMadness »

satysin wrote: post #779
chungus_khan wrote: post #768

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That's not really true. Every modern Intel, AMD, and Nvidia GPU does actually include hardware to accelerate encoding video, it's just that software solutions end up being preferred in a lot of cases because they produce better output and can be continually improved. A large body of encoding software is however, perfectly capable of taking advantage of them. The comparison is kind of silly.

> The comparison is kind of silly. I disagree. Sure we have things like NVENC for accelerated H.265 encoding but that is an additional hardware expense and means only the machines you have that hardware in benefits. This will literally be all Macs from a $699 Mini and up. I don't know enough about Intel QuickSync to compare but it clearly isn't used on the iMac in that video for some reason (perhaps the software does…

People (especially video professionals) tend to not use QuickSync because the quality is pretty low and you have very limited ability to tune the results. It's optimized for real time encoding and not high quality or small file sizes. I think on H.264 it's about equivalent to the x264 veryfast preset, no clue how the H.265 quality stacks up, only the more recent Intels even support that. NVENC has better quality, but still a software two-pass encode will give much better results.

It's the same on these phone chips, sure the encode is much quicker, but it's not a fair comparison because you have much more control over the process using software. We'll have to wait and see how the quality and file size on the M1 encoder stacks up.

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Post by thrwyoilarticle »

Fnoord wrote: post #646
baybal2 wrote: post #430

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Yet it still makes it very clear: a properly implemented ARM core can easily bury an X86 of equivalent size because of inherent advantage of not having to pay interest on 40 years of technical debt in the ISA.

AMD64 (x86-64) runs x86-32 at near-native speed, but it isn't x86-32. As someone who was an early adopter of Linux/AMD64 I know first-hand backwards compatibility is very important. Apple knows, hence Rosetta. Every time they switch architecture, they invest into backwards compatibility. As a counter-example, Itanium wasn't good with backwards compatibility.

What was the Linux landscape like for AMD64 early adopters?

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Post by wishysgb »

wildrhythms wrote: post #806
wffurr wrote: post #685

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- Starts at $999 for the base laptop version. You can get much cheaper still good Windows laptops.

In my experience, Microsoft and PC laptop manufacturers still haven't figured out how to make a trackpad that works as well as a 2008 era Macbook.

I disagree, my razer blade 15 has been amazing.

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Post by oddevan »

frank2 wrote: post #752
manmal wrote: post #720

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> it's pretty clear their focus is not their power users' focus Depends on the definition of "power user". Music producers, video editors, and iOS developers will be served quite well. > lenovo thinkstation p340 tiny. you can configure it with 64gb ram and core i9 with 10 cores and 20 threads for less $$$ than what an underpowered 6 core mac mini is selling for. When making that calculation, one should also take powe…

Taking power consumption into account makes sense when the machine is running on battery power, but all modern processors are power efficient enough for the cost of electricity to be negligible for a tiny desktop computer.

I agree for the most part; the exception would be if I were running the small machine as a server. I know this is outside of most use cases, but if I were buying a machine to have on all the time (Plex, email, whatever), I'd want to at least feel like it's not driving up my electric bill.
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