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It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

#51
>Why keep a pasta-maker and a crepe cooker crammed into our cupboards? We can just order them when we need them.

The main point of owning things is that you get to use them when you want to use them.

People keep those things in cupboards because when they decide on a whim to make pasta they do just that. The same goes for all the rest - having cars, houses and so on.

Unless there's some kind of Philip K Dick-style machine that near-instantly delivers good X to your apartment through a vacuum tube or something, that as-a-service bs won't fly. No one wants to wait hours (on the best case given our current logistics network) after deciding to make pasta to actually get the pasta machine.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

#52

"My living room is used for business meetings when I am not there"? No thanks!

And in the evening people can rent it to party. Maybe that is too much. Why not start small and offer your toilet to the public for a dollar per session?

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

#53
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I don't understand this. As said in other comments, I believe most people wouldn't want most of the things the author describes. If I want to cook at home and have to order everything, I assume it won't just be there in 5 minutes. And then what? If everything is shared does someone come pick it up when someone else needs it? Do I take it somewhere? Also, are people delivering these things? Or robots? And how can this…

The article is definitely not the "best" version of this vision of the future I've read...

Not that I'm advocating for this future in any way, but I assume that a more realistic version of this (especially for as near as 2030) is that many people still have jobs that have an actual schedule. Maybe we can be optimistic and dream that people get to work less than 40 hours a week to have a reasonable quality of life.

But the idea of "I own nothing" cannot conceivable extend to personal items like clothing. That doesn't make any sense. In a future of "no ownership", you'd still own your shirt and toothbrush. Probably you'd still own your playstation (but do you actually own your video games today??? Can you play them offline? Does your console have ads?) as well. You wouldn't own a car, or your home (you'd have rights while you occupy your home, but not after you move), maybe you wouldn't own tools that are too expensive/specialized to be almost-free.

So for your example, I imagine that immediate delivery services might still exist, but that would be kind of a "high class" service and might be expensive. More than likely, you'd have Amazon dropping off your weekly grocery list on your designated day (e.g., "Wednesdays are trash day and grocery day in my neighborhood").

I highly doubt that we'll have that much more robot workforce by 2030. The only industry where that's possible is brick-and-mortar shopping having no more cashiers, which I do see as somewhat likely.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

#54
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post #4

It's not like young generations could afford to own anything anyways anymore.

Get a job!

Got a job at minimum wage.

No future prospects, stuck in a rut, deadend boringness.

Proceeds to kill self. At least toast was nice.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

#55

Personally, I think a future where AI can do most jobs is frightening. It will be run by a group of relatively few elites that are involved in power struggles for control of the AI and the rest of us that do stuff like pick fruit (assuming it's cheaper than having an AI do it) and serve as cannon fodder in the AI armies. I find people who believe that it will lead to some kind of Utopia horribly naive and they have n…

We went through a comparable transition from most people working in agriculture and farming to that being automated away and people doing stuff that hadn't been much worried about before. Given human nature hasn't changed I imagine it will be similar.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

#56

I actually don't mind the idea of renting a large number of products that are only used occasionally. A drone dropping off a mixmaster or hair straightener only when you need it actually makes sense in an economy where energy is cheap and space is at a premium. I can't see why this necessitates me not owning clothes, or allowing random strangers to use my living room while I'm out, though. I don't even really see the…

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Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

#57

I am unclear as to the author's intent. I expect most people here would find such ideas offensive. And yet so many things seem on the right track. It's the polar opposite of the outrageously inefficient model where everything you use, you own, and for 99.9% of the time, the thing just sits there depreciating or taking up space. Regarding cars, as a city liver who needs a car (but has no driveway or garage), I certain…

What's wrong with something sitting there and not being used? It's not causing any extra consumption. It's using space, but I don't wish for a future where I don't even have enough space to keep a personal car. As for sharing everything, it's a good theory but would never work in practice. Have you ever lived with people outside of your family or bubble? Some people are filthy and don't even take care of things they…

> It's using space, but I don't wish for a future where I don't even have enough space to keep a personal car.

I'm already living that present. It's really nice. Walkable neighbourhoods full of interesting things to see and do, because that space isn't being wasted on car storage.

> As for sharing everything, it's a good theory but would never work in practice. Have you ever lived with people outside of your family or bubble? Some people are filthy and don't even take care of things they own, let alone things they don't.

That seems like a problem that can be solved technologically. Certainly e.g. Zipcars have always been clean when I got in them, somehow.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

#58
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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a job!

>Across the country, Tekin found that "[m]edian home prices have increased at four times the rate of household incomes since 1960," meaning homeownership is increasingly out of reach for many Americans. Rents, meanwhile, have grown roughly twice as fast as adjusted wages between 1960 and 2017. https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/2019/07/25/gap-between-inc...

Mortgage rates move inversely with house prices (because many buyers, especially marginal buyers) are buying houses based on the monthly payments more than on the HUD-1 statement price.

By that admittedly too-simple analysis, houses peaked in unaffordability in 1980 and have been only modestly less affordable since 2000. (Much of this is likely explained by the median house in 2000 being much larger than the median house in 1960, having nearly doubled in size between 1973 and 2016.)

[0] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z-A7AhhKNcVbvq_n8fPP...

[1] https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/new-us-homes-today-are-1000-s...

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

#59
This is only ridiculous because we're in a society that values making money more than anything else. I wouldn't want to everything to be rent/subscription based because the other party will always be looking for how to get more money out of me. If everything were really truly free and I could order waffles that arrived in 3 minutes what incentive would anyone have to change that service in anyway?

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

#60

"I know that, somewhere, everything I do, think and dream of is recorded. I just hope that nobody will use it against me." -- This gave me a feeling that I am unable to put into words.

Is that feeling an overwhelming sense of dread caused by the realization that we are already living in that world and most of us don't realize or care? The feeling of helplessness and doom?

No? Just me? Never mind...

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