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Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the "alright I accept just stop it!" approach is part of the design.

Almost definitely so. Like Youtube telling my epxerience will be 'better' if I login, each time again. But it won't (well, apart from me not to having to click the button each time). How low can you go as a company?

I'm sure that (anti-)feature improved the relevant metrics, and someone got a great evaluation or promotion for it.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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As a comparison, how does Here Maps fare on the "creepiness scale"?

It appears they collect much of the same data, but likely less of it because of their smaller scale and inability to cross-tabulate this data with other user activity (like Google search): https://legal.here.com/en-gb/privacy/here-wego-here-applicat...

I would think that it would not gather (as much) data when using it for offline maps. I admit it's just an hope.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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One of the most disappointing changes in Android recently is that any network-assisted geolocation plugins must now be installed as a system app, not a user app. That means that even if you use LineageOS where most Google stuff has been stripped out, getting a GPS fix through network assistance still sends data to Google servers. Only a tiny minority of users are comfortable working with the command line and will ins…

Hmm, wouldn't in that case Lineage be able to preinstall such service themselves? I'd expect them to?

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It appears they collect much of the same data, but likely less of it because of their smaller scale and inability to cross-tabulate this data with other user activity (like Google search): https://legal.here.com/en-gb/privacy/here-wego-here-applicat...

I would think that it would not gather (as much) data when using it for offline maps. I admit it's just an hope.

Don't hope, read. Their terms say they do just that - it's valuable data for traffic modeling.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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I am about to delete Google Maps on my iPhone.

Are all those issues valid on an iPhone as well or does Apple limit it‘s privacy evading features?

Edit: Done. Deleted it.

Now if only I had an alternative to Garmin Connect. Love my fitness watch (Garmin Fenix), but hate the way they collect data about me. And no alternative.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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How about all the data which map apps are asking for now (and in the past but for which they now have permissions):

- WiFi network access (tightened up in recent mobile OS') which can give you a pretty accurate location

- Photo roll (think of all that EXIF location data if you're giving photo roll access to leave images for reviews)

- Calendar/location integration (who else is scheduled to go to that meeting on your calendar which you're directing yourself to via your maps app)

- Bluetooth for all the BTLE beacons you're walking past in stores etc which have been gifted them for free from tracking companies

I'm not taking a moral standpoint here on whether it's right to collect this data, just pointing out that there's an order of magnitude more than the article describes.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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Tired of opening maps and getting a prompt to turn on 'make location bettter' every fuckingtime. Are the people working at Google that dumb? How many times do I have to decline. Other than that, the article is one of the most clickbaity one I've read

What really got me mad was when these jerks tied saved places to enabling location history.

I used google maps as a sort of address book starring the homes of friends, family, work locations, interesting places, etc. One day I turned off all the tracking and location history crap and had zero issues. Then one day I couldn't see any of my saved locations. What? I did some research and found out that a recent update now requires you to enable location history. WTF! Their brain damaged logic is the location you saved was done in the past so it stands to reason that it's part of history! Of course that's not really the reason, the reason is to force people to turn location history back on.

Bullet, meet foot.

Re: Google knows where we are, and so do advertisers

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I am about to delete Google Maps on my iPhone. Are all those issues valid on an iPhone as well or does Apple limit it‘s privacy evading features? Edit: Done. Deleted it. Now if only I had an alternative to Garmin Connect. Love my fitness watch (Garmin Fenix), but hate the way they collect data about me. And no alternative.

Explore the Privacy section of the Settingd app to find out.
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