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Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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The Macbook Air with 16GB RAM and 512GB isn't really priced competitively here in Germany. It's almost 1600€.

€1665 in Czechia, and we have much lower purchasing power.

To be honest, you'd expect widely traded good to trade at the same prices, regardless of local purchasing power.

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AMD's Zen 3 (Ryzen 5xxx series) are beating the Apple M1 in single core score: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/singlecore As another datapoint Ian (of Anandtech) estimated that the M1 would need to be clocked at 3.25Ghz to match Zen 3, and these systems are showing a 3.2Ghz clock: https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1326516048309460992

*The 5900 is a desktop chip that costs $500+ with a 100W TDP and we're comparing with the cpu in a $1000 laptop with no fan.

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> most professionals would want to use docker, virtual machines, or enough video/data to want more than 16GB ram I'm a Sofwware Engineer / pro photographer / videographer. I sling code from time to time, edit thousands of RAW files from my cameras and edit together 1080p footage day in and day out. I did that for years on a 2013 MBA with 8GB of RAM. Now I have a 2015 MBP with 16GB of RAM. It's perfectly adequate.

Yep. My new work laptop only has 16GB of RAM and it’s never been an issue. I’m usually running half a dozen containers, VS Code, Slack, Brave/Chrome, and a few other things. Maybe our work loads are just computationally lighter than some? I ordered a 16GB Pro the other day to be my personal dev machine. I’m sure it’ll be more than fine. I’m upgrading from a 2013 8GB Pro which was only just starting to slow me down.

The code and compilation for me is the light part, and for the most part an hour's worth of essentially text editing for about a moment of compilation anyways.

My resource hogs are slack, mainly the browser, and Zoom calls are apparently the most computationally intensive thing in the world, especially if you screen share while you have an external plugged in.

Memory wise the reason I had to go from 8Gb to 16GB on my personal laptop was literally just for TravisCI.

Honestly, adding external monitors cripples MacBooks pretty quick, even unscaled 2 2k monitors will slow a 2015 15 down significantly (don't try and leave YouTube on either), and it gets worse from there once you start upgrading to 4k monitors. a 2017 15 is good for a 4k and a 2k, and gets a bit slow if you try and go dual 4k.

I planned on looking into eGPU solutions until IT offered me a new Macbook, and I convinced them I needed a 16" Pro.

tldr: External monitors or badly optimized applications (Zoom, YouTube, or browser based CI) will make most MacBooks feel sluggish pretty quick.

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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> The M1 chip, which belongs to a MacBook Air with 8GB RAM, features a single-core score of 1687 and a multi-core score of 7433. According to the benchmark, the M1 has a 3.2GHz base frequency. > The Mac mini with M1 chip that was benchmarked earned a single-core score of 1682 and a multi-core score of 7067. > Update: There's also a benchmark for the 13-inch MacBook Pro with M1 chip and 16GB RAM that has a single-core…

A14 Air outperforms all iPad Pros in single core, multicore is still faster on the A12X. Keep in mind the fastest iPad Pro is using a two generation old cpu.

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Many apps optimized for the x64 platform won't run as well as the benchmarks.

They did mention in a presentation some applications ran even quicker in Rosetta 2 than native. Though Wine isn't an emulator, I've seen the same in Wine numerous times. How many, which, etc, who knows? Interesting to figure out regardless.

That happened regularly in the transition from 680x0 to PowerPC.

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Many apps optimized for the x64 platform won't run as well as the benchmarks.

I think this is an important one to keep in mind. I'm sure most native Mac apps will be compiled to ARM, but a lot of existing apps won't. Plus there's the brouhaha about Electron apps. I for one really wouldn't mind if Apple would build a native app to replace Electron apps, e.g. a chat app that works as a good client for (what I have open right now in Rambox) Discord, FB Messenger, Whatsapp and multiple Slack chann…

I can't understand why you think Apple should be building apps for their competitors. It's very strange.

Use Apple Music, Messages, Safari, Swift if you want first-class support.

Or one of the better options now might be to use the iOS apps for Slack, Spotify etc.

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If that was to pass, wouldn't linux just port itself to the new platform? After all linux supports powerpc and Motorola 68k.

They're locked down. You can install anything on it without apples permission. Like secure boot, just without an off switch

Your comment is not accurate.

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Dunno, seems like most professionals would want to use docker, virtual machines, or enough video/data to want more than 16GB ram. Or maybe even plug in more than a charging cable and one more device. Or run more than one external monitor. Doesn't seem very "pro" to me. The MBP16" intel has 4 x USB-c ports, can drive two monitors, and can have >= 32GB ram.

Apparently I am not a professional, since I don't use docker and leave VMs for servers.

How about using a second monitor?

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In what respect is Apple “locking down their software hard” with respect to these new Macs?

> In what respect is Apple “locking down their software hard” with respect to these new Macs? Locked bootloader only booting stuff signed by Apple. So these CPUs can only be used to run MacOS, no Linux or other alternate open platforms.

Where are you people getting this from? This is not accurate. You can in fact downgrade security from recovery OS.

ARM doesn't have a generic platform like PC but I'm sure someone will figure out how the device tree works if they haven't already.

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Dunno, seems like most professionals would want to use docker, virtual machines, or enough video/data to want more than 16GB ram. Or maybe even plug in more than a charging cable and one more device. Or run more than one external monitor. Doesn't seem very "pro" to me. The MBP16" intel has 4 x USB-c ports, can drive two monitors, and can have >= 32GB ram.

The MBP16 actually can do 4 displays if they're only 4k displays. It's why I bought one over a MBP13 which can only do 2. The two limit seems to be for 6016x3384 which I assume is 5k.

Not sure if you mean an Intel MBP 13" or the new MPB 13", but the new arm based MBA and MBP can only do a single monitor.
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