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Post by bhl »

black_puppydog wrote: post #96
Lazare wrote: post #36

I love the idea of Notion, and I love what the team is trying to do, and I love almost all of Notion. Unfortunately, it's too slow , at least for me. For a tool like that I need it to be a frictionless as possible, and Notion (for me!) is just a bit too annoying for me to put up with after extended usage. If you value features over snappiness, Notion may be great for you though. It's an amazing concept! And I certain…

Slack & notion make me close my eyes while typing, just because the delay between key press and pixels lighting up is so long that I get confused. It's like speaking with a 400ms or so echo of yourself being played back. Hugely distracting. When writing longer things on either, I find myself firing up vim to copy paste afterwards, just because it's impossible to get into any kind of flow in these apps. VS code also f…

> Slack & notion make me close my eyes while typing, just because the delay between key press and pixels lighting up is so long that I get confused. It's like speaking with a 400ms or so echo of yourself being played back. Hugely distracting.

That reminds me of this blogpost [1]. It's definitely possible to optimize the input latency of rich text editors in the browser: they just have to be close to the metal of the 'contenteditable' browser api.

[1] https://juretriglav.si/what-happens-when-you-type-a-single-l...

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Post by ksec »

prepend wrote: post #128
deckard1 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel all of this is why email is dead. It's not because Slack or anything killed email. It's because Gmail (and other web clients) killed email. They made it dreadfully slow to do anything in. Go download Thunderbird. I haven't used it in 10 years, so it could be worse today. But I remember it being a joy to use. Or the Agent usenet/email reader.

It’s funny that I recently started using the Mac desktop mail app and outlook app and they are so quick compared to gmail (or outlook.com). I had forgotten how nice it was to quickly go through email and remember how quick gmail was when it launched. A colleague said “it’s just five seconds to open and load an email, that’s not a lot of time.” But that adds up.

>A colleague said “it’s just five seconds to open and load an email, that’s not a lot of time.” But that adds up.

I guess that is why people dont understand I am annoyed as I will only give a time budget of 500ms to open and load an Email on the Web.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by ksec »

ryanSrich wrote: post #73
rattray wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't use notion, so I'm curious - what kind of slow? UI lag? Page load? API responses?

Page load, painting, uploading, everything. It's all very very slow. I use Notion very heavily at work, and until March of this year personally. In early 2020 I switched to Roam and I can't go back now. Roam is so amazingly fast it's like they're cheating or something. I wish every app would adopt the way Roam does it. Load everything up front. But, everything is slow these days. Aside from Roam, HN and maybe a handf…

Roam as in the one linked below?

Seems like a very different app to Notion.

https://roamresearch.com

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

Like many others here I've tried more or less all of the productivity services and only one of them has actually stuck: Discord.

I made a server called Diary, accessible only by me, and I have a few different channels like work-log, life-log, d&d session notes, joke ideas, etc. I also feed all screenshots I take into a channel, and set up a chrome extension that sends whatever page I'm on to the web-log channel as a link.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by ajvs »

alexh1 wrote: post #18
krono wrote: post #15

I have some serious data privacy concerns with Notion. The excruciating slowness of the platform in all its forms and iterations is also completely unworkable. A real shame as I really need something like this in my life - both personal and professional.

Take a look at Portabella ( https://portabella.io ), we're not feature complete with Notion but making serious progress!

Make another post on HN when this open-sourced please.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by slightwinder »

pembrook wrote: post #135
Lazare wrote: post #36

I love the idea of Notion, and I love what the team is trying to do, and I love almost all of Notion. Unfortunately, it's too slow , at least for me. For a tool like that I need it to be a frictionless as possible, and Notion (for me!) is just a bit too annoying for me to put up with after extended usage. If you value features over snappiness, Notion may be great for you though. It's an amazing concept! And I certain…

Joplin, obsidian, etc. and other open source note systems I've used all suffer from the same problem: bad writing experience. I can't be the only one who believes this...writing in a 2 panel markdown+preview side-by-side view is just horrible and backwards. And I like the idea of markdown! Of course I want the ability to export to markdown for portability to the web. But for the love of god, don't make me surround my…

> I can't be the only one who believes this...writing in a 2 panel markdown+preview side-by-side view is just horrible and backwards.

It's called markup and a matter of efficiency. With richtext I need to mark the Text and click some button/menu-item OR learn a gazillion shortcuts for every little syntax-function. With Markup I use the same keys that I use for writting text, because the syntax is internal to the text, not some hidden external thing.

Of course it's possible to make a hybrid, something that displays richtext instantly while still working with syntax. But this is hard and cumbersome. Nonthless, Obsidian has it on their list as a longterm-goal, so maybe in some years we will see it.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by slightwinder »

deckard1 wrote: post #105
black_puppydog wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slack & notion make me close my eyes while typing, just because the delay between key press and pixels lighting up is so long that I get confused. It's like speaking with a 400ms or so echo of yourself being played back. Hugely distracting. When writing longer things on either, I find myself firing up vim to copy paste afterwards, just because it's impossible to get into any kind of flow in these apps. VS code also f…

I feel all of this is why email is dead. It's not because Slack or anything killed email. It's because Gmail (and other web clients) killed email. They made it dreadfully slow to do anything in. Go download Thunderbird. I haven't used it in 10 years, so it could be worse today. But I remember it being a joy to use. Or the Agent usenet/email reader.

Email started "dying" long before GMail even was a thing. AOL and ICQ startet it, Twitter and Facebook continued it and now it ends with Whatsapp, Slack and Discord. And I doubt that Whatsapp/Facebook/Discord are significant faster than Gmail or Slack, so this can't be the reason.

E-Mail is just a transport-protocol, poor in ability compared do other solutions and rather complicated, especially when it should be made safe.

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Post by zerubeus »

Notion have a big performance problem in mobile especially with Android, the app takes more than 10s to start its just killing the user experience.

The app design and functionality are really good, but the performance issues are killing the product.

And I just can't keep up with the poor file uploading system, every time I move a file position in a document I just end up loosing the file.

Any suggestions for a good note taking app other than notion?

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by zerubeus »

Lazare wrote: post #36

I love the idea of Notion, and I love what the team is trying to do, and I love almost all of Notion. Unfortunately, it's too slow , at least for me. For a tool like that I need it to be a frictionless as possible, and Notion (for me!) is just a bit too annoying for me to put up with after extended usage. If you value features over snappiness, Notion may be great for you though. It's an amazing concept! And I certain…

It is a pain, in my very powerful Android device it literally takes more than 10s for the app to start, very poor performance.

Nothing beats the writing experience of iAWriter for macOS users.

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Post by slightwinder »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #103
crooked-v wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've ended up using Obsidian, since it saves its stuff as plain Markdown as opposed to Joplin's weird kitbash format... ...but the deeply ambiguous licensing info makes it a non-option for a lot of people.

I've never understood the draw of Obsidian. Their website makes it seem like the "graph view" is their big differentiator, but why is that useful? Why is it useful to know how various topics are vaguely related, and view a giant web of it? Or is their marketing just confusing me.. and really it's just a markdown editor with linking?

Linking is a big thing in knowledge-managment. There is a new hype weaving around ATM to rediscover functionality which exists in old tools for decades already. Graph-View pokes in that area. Similar reasoning for the tag-view and search.

But Obsidian has more points speaking for it. It works on local files/folders with well known types. No special formats involved which lock you in. Recently it started development of it's plugin-API which already started gaining some useful plugins from the community. And overall it's quite polished and userfriendly, not many quirks and corners which stay in the users way.

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