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Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by desmap »

Ndymium wrote: post #440
desmap wrote: post #396

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> - All M1 models only support 1 monitor, but up to 6K. Where did you find this? In the Macbook Pro 13 landing page I find the specs per Thunderbolt port which states the display capabilities for each while not restricting anywhere to just one monitor. So I'd would expect 1x monitor per Thunderbolt port leading to total 3 displays for the Pro ARM model: one internal and two external displays. I assume the restriction…

In the tech specs page, under "Video Support": > Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display at millions of colors and: > > One external display with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz Source: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/

Ok thanks and this is really quite a bummer.

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Post by cyrksoft »

M4v3R wrote: post #555
cyrksoft wrote: post #539

I think nobody commented this, but Apple has just made the Mac lineup unrepairable. They will need to have a really high, almost perfect quality control.

Nothing they did this week made it more unrepairable that it already was. Newest Macbooks already had CPUs and memory soldered in to the motherboard for quite some time. And this doesn't make them unrepairable because most of the motherboard issues don't come from a faulty CPU or memory, but from corrosion/other kind of damage on the smaller discrete elements like resistors, capacitors or smaller chips, which can eas…

> but there are a lot of repair shops that can repair even the newest Macbooks with high success rate.

That is my point. Now EVERYTHIN is in the M1 chip. Nobody will be able to fix it, not even Apple.

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Post by Fnoord »

seunosewa wrote: post #560
throwaway4good wrote: post #554

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The results seem a little weird but if remotely true then these machines are going to sell like cup cakes. Why would anyone (who is not forced) buy an Intel PC laptop when these are available and priced as competitive as they are?

Many apps optimized for the x64 platform won't run as well as the benchmarks.

They did mention in a presentation some applications ran even quicker in Rosetta 2 than native. Though Wine isn't an emulator, I've seen the same in Wine numerous times. How many, which, etc, who knows? Interesting to figure out regardless.

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Post by roel_v »

JosephRedfern wrote: post #495
numpad0 wrote: post #148

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Laptop Macs of late are known for heavy throttling due to inadequate cooling, which cannot have been unnoticed in simulations

I’d go so far as to say “laptops of late”, thermal throttling isn’t unique to MacBooks. My XPS15 regularly throttles and sounds like it’s about to take off.

My XPS15's GPU runs at 100C (on benchmark loads), even after I replaced the heat pads and cooling paste. It took me weeks to get used to the idea. I guess that's just the new normal. I don't find mine to be loud though.

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Post by asdfaoeu »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #569
seunosewa wrote: post #560

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Many apps optimized for the x64 platform won't run as well as the benchmarks.

I think this is an important one to keep in mind. I'm sure most native Mac apps will be compiled to ARM, but a lot of existing apps won't. Plus there's the brouhaha about Electron apps. I for one really wouldn't mind if Apple would build a native app to replace Electron apps, e.g. a chat app that works as a good client for (what I have open right now in Rambox) Discord, FB Messenger, Whatsapp and multiple Slack chann…

Electron seems to have support in recent beta releases.

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Post by djxfade »

martin_bech wrote: post #561
throwaway4good wrote: post #554

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The results seem a little weird but if remotely true then these machines are going to sell like cup cakes. Why would anyone (who is not forced) buy an Intel PC laptop when these are available and priced as competitive as they are?

You cant run bootcamp on these.. For me atm thats a dealbreaker.. but I still want one

Even if you could, it wouldn't really help, as it would only be able to boot Windows for ARM, which has even less software support.

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Post by Fnoord »

martin_bech wrote: post #561
throwaway4good wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The results seem a little weird but if remotely true then these machines are going to sell like cup cakes. Why would anyone (who is not forced) buy an Intel PC laptop when these are available and priced as competitive as they are?

You cant run bootcamp on these.. For me atm thats a dealbreaker.. but I still want one

There's work being done getting Wine on ARM to emulate Windows/x86-64.

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Post by kmlx »

throwaway4good wrote: post #554
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #479

> The M1 chip, which belongs to a MacBook Air with 8GB RAM, features a single-core score of 1687 and a multi-core score of 7433. According to the benchmark, the M1 has a 3.2GHz base frequency. > The Mac mini with M1 chip that was benchmarked earned a single-core score of 1682 and a multi-core score of 7067. > Update: There's also a benchmark for the 13-inch MacBook Pro with M1 chip and 16GB RAM that has a single-core…

The results seem a little weird but if remotely true then these machines are going to sell like cup cakes. Why would anyone (who is not forced) buy an Intel PC laptop when these are available and priced as competitive as they are?

> Why would anyone (who is not forced) buy an Intel PC laptop when these are available and priced as competitive as they are?

as a power user I will not be touching anything apple ARM until all my hundreds of software apps are certified to work exactly the same as on x86_64. i will not rely on rosetta to take care of this. i need actual testing.

besides this, 8GB of RAM is how much a single instance of chrome uses. i run 3 chrome instances, 2 firefox and 2 safari. and this is just for web.

this could be a good time to jump the apple ship. it's pretty clear their focus is not their power users' focus.

as such i was looking into a lenovo thinkstation p340 tiny. you can configure it with 64gb ram and core i9 with 10 cores and 20 threads for less $$$ than what an underpowered 6 core mac mini is selling for.

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Post by HacklesRaised »

I think I'll wait until some real world testing can provide definitive results. I would be very happy if these results translate, I just don't believe they Intel and AMD engineers are so inferior to Apples that Apple could pull this off with a known CPU architecture without some smoke and mirrors.
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