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Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by another_kel »

sethgecko wrote: post #125

I see a lot of nice recommendation for note taking apps, but for me the 2 biggest features that I need are 1. No vendor lock in. I can’t lose access to my notes because of random account bans or the company going under or w/e. Also plain markdown, no nonsense proprietary formats. 2. Platform independence, I work across mac/windows/ios on home and work. So I ended up using a git repo with markdown files. I use Noteabl…

You might like obsidian. It’s a note taking app that’s markdown based and saves files in a local folder. Allows you to do cool linking between pages and stuff. Even has the auto push to github plug-in. Only disadvantage is that unlike typora wysiwyg functionality isn’t implemented yet.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by pembrook »

zestyping wrote: post #138
pembrook wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joplin, obsidian, etc. and other open source note systems I've used all suffer from the same problem: bad writing experience. I can't be the only one who believes this...writing in a 2 panel markdown+preview side-by-side view is just horrible and backwards. And I like the idea of markdown! Of course I want the ability to export to markdown for portability to the web. But for the love of god, don't make me surround my…

Funny that we feel so different about Markdown. The whole point of Markdown (in my opinion) is that the formatting is a function of text that you can see and edit. The entire state of the document is visible, and there are no formatting operations you have to learn, just regular text editing operations like backspace, copy, paste, and so on. For example, if you press backspace, you always know exactly what the result…

> there are no formatting operations you have to learn

I see it as the opposite. If you give a 2 panel markdown editor to any non-developer human they will be baffled at how to do any formatting with it. Rich text editors are intuitive, that's why they've dominated computing for the last 30-40 years.

> you can't easily predict what will happen simply by looking at the screen

Huh? In rich text you see what everybody else will see. In 2-panel markdown you need the second panel to see how your final text will look to the rest of the world because you can't predict that easily when writing in an esoteric markup.

> For this huge advantage in predictability and simplicity, Markdown sacrifices formatting power

I wouldn't call requiring a second panel to preview how the actual text will look predictable or simple. It's a rube goldberg machine. On the other hand, I think the best thing about markdown is the restrictions to formatting. It forces you to write in semantic HTML.

IMO, Notion, for all its sluggishness, nails this part. They provide the intuitiveness of a rich text editor, while restricting the amount of styling to a markdown-esque set of properties so what you write will be easily portable to the web.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by atoav »

pembrook wrote: post #135
Lazare wrote: post #36

I love the idea of Notion, and I love what the team is trying to do, and I love almost all of Notion. Unfortunately, it's too slow , at least for me. For a tool like that I need it to be a frictionless as possible, and Notion (for me!) is just a bit too annoying for me to put up with after extended usage. If you value features over snappiness, Notion may be great for you though. It's an amazing concept! And I certain…

Joplin, obsidian, etc. and other open source note systems I've used all suffer from the same problem: bad writing experience. I can't be the only one who believes this...writing in a 2 panel markdown+preview side-by-side view is just horrible and backwards. And I like the idea of markdown! Of course I want the ability to export to markdown for portability to the web. But for the love of god, don't make me surround my…

Typora is great. But I also tend to use it in "source" view where I can she all the markup.

The point of markdown is literally that things don't hide. Wanna know if that semicolon is included in the italic styling? You will see it right away. Wanna know if a link has an old URL or is pointing to a weird domain? You see it.

This alone makes it worth it. Forcing the whole thing back into a WYSIWYG-editor will just mean that markdown becomes unreadable. A bit like when people used MS Word to write HTML.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by fsanchez94 »

pembrook wrote: post #135
Lazare wrote: post #36

I love the idea of Notion, and I love what the team is trying to do, and I love almost all of Notion. Unfortunately, it's too slow , at least for me. For a tool like that I need it to be a frictionless as possible, and Notion (for me!) is just a bit too annoying for me to put up with after extended usage. If you value features over snappiness, Notion may be great for you though. It's an amazing concept! And I certain…

Joplin, obsidian, etc. and other open source note systems I've used all suffer from the same problem: bad writing experience. I can't be the only one who believes this...writing in a 2 panel markdown+preview side-by-side view is just horrible and backwards. And I like the idea of markdown! Of course I want the ability to export to markdown for portability to the web. But for the love of god, don't make me surround my…

Have you tried https://www.craft.do/ ? It’s iA Writter mixed with Roam mixed with Notion all Native and best in class writing experience

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by niels_bom »

AlphaWeaver wrote: post #130
niels_bom wrote: post #71

I’ve been using Notion quite a lot the last 1.5 years at work and I’ve got similar gripes as others have already written about. My major wish, and this has been on their roadmap for a while now: an API. Question: how many of y’all use Notion in the desktop client version (which seems a bit faster) vs. in the browser where you can have multiple tabd open?

API going into closed beta before the end of the year, IIRC

That’s good news, new for me, thanks.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by siscia »

Lazare wrote: post #36

I love the idea of Notion, and I love what the team is trying to do, and I love almost all of Notion. Unfortunately, it's too slow , at least for me. For a tool like that I need it to be a frictionless as possible, and Notion (for me!) is just a bit too annoying for me to put up with after extended usage. If you value features over snappiness, Notion may be great for you though. It's an amazing concept! And I certain…

I created https://nostashapp.com exactly to have a fast note-taking app with search.

Is no-where close to the completeness (and complexity) of Notion, it works as WYSIWYG editor, no Markdown.

But it is very fast (hosted in Europe but underneath does basically nothing), with search, free if you don't want to pay, and it will stay since I host my personal notes on it.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by codegladiator »

burtonator wrote: post #119
lordleft wrote: post #5

Notion is a great tool and I recommend it as a solid "all-around" personal-wiki / notetaking tool. That being said, the fact that it's electron-based means it's not always as snappy as I'd like it to be when I want to quickly capture a thought -- sometimes the "page" has to reload, even when I'm using the desktop app. I also notice that like slack, it suffers from the same in-line text formatting woes, which can be i…

Electron isn't any slower than any other app. Might use an extra 100MB of RAM but that's like $5... With notion it's probably the app. Not electron's fault. source: me... developer and worked with the Electron platform for 2+ years

> 100MB of RAM but that's like $5

No one is getting a 100 MB of ram extra for anything.

But yeah I don't blame electron here. Have build electron apps and apart from the initial load time everything is mostly under devs control.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by janlukacs »

capableweb wrote: post #21
janlukacs wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notion now has a timeline, it's not a Gantt chart :) What you said next is a Gantt chart.

A timeline for scheduling is a Gantt chart. Dependencies wasn't part of the first versions of the Gantt charts.

We were both obviously talking about the modern definition of the Gantt Chart, not the paper version invented pre ww1.

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by black_puppydog »

rickyc091 wrote: post #106
black_puppydog wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And you can't load multiple pages at once, it has to be in focus! Is that a new thing? I just noticed that bit yesterday. I often have to load multiple pages and this is such a flow breaker...

If you're using the Desktop app the only way is to open a new window then navigate to the other page you want.

which is the prime reason I don't use the desktop app.

"Come use a version of our website where you can't tabbed-browse!"

Yeah, that's a hard no from me...

Re: Notion Timeline View

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Post by hazz99 »

greatgib wrote: post #98

Wouhou, a "new type of database"... But I guess that kind of marketing should work on morons that never heard of Gantt charts

In Notion, data is stored in generic "database" form, which is basically a table. Different views –– like kanban boards, calendar views, and gantt charts –– are layered on top.

A "new type of database" means that they've added another type of database layer to Notion. It is a perfectly reasonable way to phrase it.

Congrats to the Notion team, you've made a phenomenal product! There's some incredible product sense inside your company.

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