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Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by maxyme »

Steko wrote: post #318
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear, but here's some knowledgeable speculation: - All M1 models only have 1 Thunderbolt Controller, thus can only handle 2 Thunderbolt ports on all announced models so far. - All M1 models only support 1 monitor, but up to 6K. - No M1 model supports >16GB of RAM or 10GB Ethernet. All of the above seem like bandwidth limitations to save cost that a future "M1X" or "M2" or "X1" would be extremely likely to f…

The Mac Mini supports two monitors one 6K and one 4K. https://www.apple.com/mac-mini/specs/

If you count the display in the macbook that's the same number of screens

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Post by russler23 »

fludlight wrote: post #320
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear, but here's some knowledgeable speculation: - All M1 models only have 1 Thunderbolt Controller, thus can only handle 2 Thunderbolt ports on all announced models so far. - All M1 models only support 1 monitor, but up to 6K. - No M1 model supports >16GB of RAM or 10GB Ethernet. All of the above seem like bandwidth limitations to save cost that a future "M1X" or "M2" or "X1" would be extremely likely to f…

Is there a legitimate laptop purpose that requires 10GB internet? If so, how niche is that purpose?

Ethernet ≠ Internet

Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by geerlingguy »

fludlight wrote: post #320
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear, but here's some knowledgeable speculation: - All M1 models only have 1 Thunderbolt Controller, thus can only handle 2 Thunderbolt ports on all announced models so far. - All M1 models only support 1 monitor, but up to 6K. - No M1 model supports >16GB of RAM or 10GB Ethernet. All of the above seem like bandwidth limitations to save cost that a future "M1X" or "M2" or "X1" would be extremely likely to f…

Is there a legitimate laptop purpose that requires 10GB internet? If so, how niche is that purpose?

More the Mac mini, which had built in 10G as an option in prior generations.

For laptops, you can use an external dongle. It has its uses, like for a NAS on a 10G network for video or other data-intense work.

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Post by the_lucifer »

fludlight wrote: post #320
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear, but here's some knowledgeable speculation: - All M1 models only have 1 Thunderbolt Controller, thus can only handle 2 Thunderbolt ports on all announced models so far. - All M1 models only support 1 monitor, but up to 6K. - No M1 model supports >16GB of RAM or 10GB Ethernet. All of the above seem like bandwidth limitations to save cost that a future "M1X" or "M2" or "X1" would be extremely likely to f…

Is there a legitimate laptop purpose that requires 10GB internet? If so, how niche is that purpose?

Well, the older Mini that the M1 Mini replaces has 10Gb Ethernet. That being said, there's no modern MacBook that has 10Gb Ethernet anyways. Cannot that port be added over Thunderbolt 3/USB 4 based dongle?

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Post by trynumber9 »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #359
zdw wrote: post #274

AMD's Zen 3 (Ryzen 5xxx series) are beating the Apple M1 in single core score: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/singlecore As another datapoint Ian (of Anandtech) estimated that the M1 would need to be clocked at 3.25Ghz to match Zen 3, and these systems are showing a 3.2Ghz clock: https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1326516048309460992

No, they aren't. All of the top results have crazy overclocking and liquid cooling. You need to look the numbers here: https://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks . Top end Zen 3 is slightly lower than M1.

Not exactly.

You can check the clock speeds: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4620493.gb5

Up to 5050MHz is stock behavior for the 5950X and it's using standard DDR4 3200 memory.

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Post by alwillis »

whalesalad wrote: post #314
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #300

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It'll be sooner than that. Just wait for "M1X" or "X1" or whatever Apple calls the increased-bandwidth variant that goes into their 16-inch model and desktops.

Sure, call it what you want. This is the beta product. It’ll be buggy. It won’t be full throttle. I’m excited for whatever is next.

This is the beta product. It’ll be buggy.

Doubtful. You know they've been using ARM-based Macs with the requisite version of macOS for at least a year inside of Apple.

They've done a processor transition two other times; unlike the last two times, this time Apple controls the entire stack, which wasn't the case going from 68K to PowerPC or from PowerPC to Intel.

Apple has been designing their own processors for a decade now. There's nothing in the smartphone/tablet market that even comes close to the performance of the A series in the iPhone and iPad; there's no reason to believe this will be any different.

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Post by kfinley »

imwally wrote: post #95
srtjstjsj wrote: post #32

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Why did you pay a fortune for 32GB RAM, a larger screen, and a dGPU if you don't need it? You could have bought a 13" MBP and saved enough cash to get the new Air and now have 2 laptops.

I’ve always used 15” MBPs without external displays as my only computer for years. I like being mobile and don’t particularly like having a desktop + laptop. Since COVID I’ve been stuck at home so I decided to finally get an external monitor. The problem is that you can’t use the 16” with an external display and the lid open without the fans spinning at full speed. Some people don’t mind it but it drives me crazy. No…

> The problem is that you can’t use the 16” with an external display and the lid open without the fans spinning at full speed.

I had the same problem, when connected to a USB-C monitor I wanted to use the keyboard, but not the built in monitor. Even with the display backlight off the fan would still run. After a lot of searching I found that you can disable the built in monitor by:

- Booting into recovery mode - Opening Terminal - Entering `sudo nvram boot-args="niog=1"` - Restarting - Close the clamshell - Plug in the external monitor - Open the monitor

I hope that helps.

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Post by avalys »

torbital wrote: post #357
faitswulff wrote: post #255

This really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head. Now Apple computers are a premium product from a performance perspective, as well.

But now they are locking down their software hard. So there is really no free lunch.

In what respect is Apple “locking down their software hard” with respect to these new Macs?
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