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Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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5950X is 105W desktop CPU. Apple M1 is for laptops and Mac Mini.

Single core performance usually isn't much different between laptop and desktop CPUs.

These top scores are achieved with heavy overclocks combined with ridiculous cooling rigs. You can't really do that to a laptop. (I mean, you can in theory, but at that point it's not a laptop any more. It's ripped in half and strapped to a water block.)

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This really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head. Now Apple computers are a premium product from a performance perspective, as well.

> This really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head.

This doesn't excuse years behavior not respecting their customers on (price + performance) divided by bugs.

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This really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head. Now Apple computers are a premium product from a performance perspective, as well.

Shouldn't we wait for non synthetic benchmarks to be performed by third parties running real applications?

We could even compare some cross platform apps across both OS and cpu and see how the total package performs.

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> Apple could even bring back an Apple Silicon powered Xserve Given their performance/watt, this sounds like it could be potentially game changing.

Amazon AWS is already doing this with their own ARM cpus.

Yes, but Apple's ARM implementations seem to be better than ARM's.

The Gravitons are based on Cortex-A76 aren't they? Don't phones with that architecture benchmark similar to an Apple A10?

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Yeah, and doing this without a fan . It's almost like Apple is rubbing Intel's face in it for sport. It's not even fair.

But did the test run long enough to need the fan, and what was the ambient temperature? The fanless Intel Core-M CPUs could post excellent benchmark scores (for its time). But if you give it a lengthy compile task, it'll slow down dramatically.

Aren’t they both running the same test?

Or are you saying that the test needs to run for way longer to be fair?

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Surely a version that can beat a 8 core Xeon is made for 'actual professionals'?

It still has a lot of limitations that matter to many pros - max 16 GB of RAM, max 2 displays (only 1 external for laptops), only enough PCIe lanes to support 2 thunderbolt ports. eGPUs aren't supported either, but hopefully that is a software thing that will be fixed. It will be very interesting to see what the performance will be of the more "pro" chip that overcomes those limitations that they'd put in the 16" and…

eGPU support will depend on if they have a way to work around the need for a PCIe I/O BAR. Many GPUs require that to initialize and as far as I know no ARM cpus support it since it's a legacy-ish x86 thing. It'll be the same problem that prevents gpu use on raspberry pi 4s still. I bet you can make a controller that'll provide a mapping for that to allow it but that'll mean needing a new enclosure (probably not a huge deal) and new silicon and drivers.

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I would. It’s the same chip in every device. Plus, having owned one of each, the chassis of the Air cannot be beat.

An air with 2 plugs on each side would beat it. Bonus points if MagSafe returned.

I don’t miss MagSafe. A good external monitor will charge the Mac and serve as a usb/thunderbolt hub.

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This really flips the argument that Mac hardware is overpriced and underpowered on its head. Now Apple computers are a premium product from a performance perspective, as well.

So we trust Geekbench over actual user testing now?
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