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Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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People don’t join a service like this intending it to be a static archive. They were told that this was an easy way to automatically save space on your phone and protect your photos in case something happens to your phone, started building a social network with their friends and family, etc. Now the choice is to pay or walk away.

I fail to see what's wrong with either of those options. Switching photos apps is not hard.

It’s not hard if you have a computer in addition to a phone, enough storage to hold a full local copy, and don’t mind spending time getting all of your friends and family to switch.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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Keep in mind that the photos you download from Takeout have the GPS data stripped out, so (sibling commentors) already have an incomplete backup. PhotoSync ( https://www.photosync-app.com/home.html ) lets you do a good-old-fashioned dump to a NAS.

Does PhotoSync keep the GPS/location data when downloading from Google Photos? Their website is not very specific and slightly outdated (Picasa login anyone?)

Sorry, I wasn't clear. PhotoSync copies the photos from your device to some destination (NAS, SMB, S3, whatever.) It doesn't interact with Google Photos. When it copies stuff it copies the original HEIC/JPEG/RAW/whatever, so the GPS EXIF is preserved.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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> Chrome has small ads at the bottom Congratulations, you've got malware on your machine. Chrome doesn't do that.

Nope, it has/had a line of linked text that promoted the new Pixel phone. Not graphical and definitely not malware. Was on the tiled start page a few weeks ago. An ad by Google, I took a screenshot, I’ll try to find it. Edit: there you go: https://mobile.twitter.com/mittermayr/status/131381816260595... (Don’t be confused by the background image, I put that there).

Ohhh. I thought you meant when you were looking at actual web pages, not just the Google start page.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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Sad as I am to see "unlimited" go away, this is probably the best way to do it: * Grandfathering existing photos means I don't have to worry about going back and deleting objects or getting an sudden bump in cost. * 15 GB is pretty generous... iCloud includes 5GB for free. * $2/month isn't a huge jump to the next level of storage.

And what a shame iCloud's included storage is. One device's backups can dangerously close to 5gb without trying, and any additional device backups will easily push you over 5gb, effectively forcing you into the $1/mo storage plan or $4/mo if you want to share 200gb total with your family.

That's exactly what happened to my mother, she owns an iPad and an iPhone and she's constantly being squeezed for money because her two devices' backups max out her storage. She rarely takes photos and doesn't upload anything to iCloud drive, it's just her backups.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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I pay for Google Photos and you should too if you care about your photos. I've used Dropbox, Apple Photos and Google Photos. Google Photos is hands down the best photo application for individuals. Mostly because its face/object/place/whatever recognition is the best of its kind. Dropbox: they are ignoring the photos needs from users. They focus on "enterprise cloud storage" and "workplace sharing". Apple: I love the…

Google Photos' face recognition feature is pretty good.. until Google started to think person A and person B are the same person and you want to fix it manually: which is basically impossible.

I used to use this feature heavily, and have to give up. Don't get me wrong, I still think Google Photos is the best in class. The point is, even the "best" is not enough due to the lack of options to fine tune it. And once it breaks, it jumps from "holyshit" to "unusable" straightly.

I wrote a very long article to detail it somewhere else before, here is the gist of it:

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* There is no way to tell Google to "split" a person/face. All you can do is remove wrong results (person B) from person A (you can also say it's "wrong person" on web, but not in app). You can't manually re-tag them as B in batch.

* These removed results don't seem to get re-recognized as other people; it's either not get re-analyzed at all, or often times, they will be re-recognized back to the wrong person again!

* You can't multi-select more than a few hundreds pictures and remove. It says "can't remove results" on both app and web if you select, say, 1000 photos. This is extremely annoying since I have people that have 10k images and I have to do so in small batch.

* You can manually assign a face, but can only do so one by one. And that's assuming Google actually detects the face, no matter how obvious it is.

* The people you added manually (by selecting a face from a photo, and manually add a name) are somehow treated as second-class citizens. When you visit https://photos.google.com/people, their names appeared at the very end of the list of named people (no matter how many photos you have for him/her), and they are almost never considered as face-recognition candidates when you upload new photos. I guess Google simply doesn't use the manually assigned people/face in their AI.

* And the final nail on the coffin is, even if you went to the trouble and fixed all these problems manually, which I did, nothing stops Google to recognize the newly uploaded photos wrong. That means you need to repeat the process again and again.

Also from an AI/machine learning point of view (I'm guessing, I'm not in this field), the more tricky cases that the user allowed/confirmed, the model for that person became more overfitted. So eventually it started to think other people are the same guy/gal.

This is typical, but the problem is, you, as the supervisor, can't tell the AI that he was wrong, and re-tag the training set as easily.

I think all this can be easily fixed if Google can add a way to "split" a person, and then force the AI to re-train the models based on the photos from now two different people. But I won't hold my breath for a free service.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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> If you have an existing free unlimited plan they should grandfather that in. They do. Photos uploaded before the change next year do not count.

Exactly. There's zero bait and switch here, especially when Takeout makes it so easy to export all your photos anyways.

You don't even need takeout, you can make your Photos folder appear in your Drive

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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SQLite is an ubiquitous and well-tested piece of software that is going to stand the test of time and survive the next twenty years. There are very few pieces of software that I am able to praise like that with a clean conscience; SQLite is definitely one of them though. You might find it worthwhile to read e.g. about its memory allocation strategy, or its testing strategy. Also, I don't think that the image files th…

> SQLite is an ubiquitous and well-tested piece of software that is going to stand the test of time and survive the next twenty years. My timeline is much longer than 20 years. I have family photos going back to the Civil War. Besides, Wordstar and Wordperfect files used to be ubiquitous. Good luck with those today. I switched my mail from Outlook to Thunderbird because the former stores the email in some undocumente…

I agree to store metadata inside the file is better, but FYI: SQLite is expected to be supported very long.

https://www.sqlite.org/lts.html

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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I pay for Google Photos and you should too if you care about your photos. I've used Dropbox, Apple Photos and Google Photos. Google Photos is hands down the best photo application for individuals. Mostly because its face/object/place/whatever recognition is the best of its kind. Dropbox: they are ignoring the photos needs from users. They focus on "enterprise cloud storage" and "workplace sharing". Apple: I love the…

I never understand people on HN complaining about Ads on YouTube, life long Storage on Google Photos costing $. Probably for 90% of people on HN, it costs more (Opportunity cost) to type a comment complaining about ads on Youtube compared to a month subscription. But for some reason people like to complain.

There are people who complaining Ads but also avoids YouTube Premium. I don't know what they want. Pay option to remove ads is great, isn't it?

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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My 20 year old self would have agreed with you. But you'll have to trust me when I say that as you get older, your perception of time changes drastically. > What is a definition of “thing that needs attending to” that can sustain a 5-10 year delay? Unopened mail, things I need to organize in case of a tax audit, broken things I was going to fix, things that simply need to be put away, things I can't decide whether to…

I feel like there’s interesting personal opinion in your comments in this thread, but it’s losing potency because you’re surrounding it in this aura of being older and wiser than anyone else in the thread. Things like “But you'll have to trust me when I say that as you get older, your perception of time changes drastically” just sound condescending.

I wrote the "trust me" in response to you saying you couldn't imagine it. Didn't mean to be condescending.

Re: Google Photos will end its free unlimited storage in June 2021

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Surprised to see the level of anger here about this. This is not the usual "Google kills product", it's the type of thing that HN loves to say they would be happy to pay for ("Just give me something that does A B C and doesn't show me ads and I would be happy to pay for it!!!", well I guess until you are actually asked to pay for it). Also, as a general rule, people should welcome big cos moving away from the "free s…

You always pay for using Google products.

When it's in their interest to make it free - to drive usage or gather data to train AI, you pay with your data.

Once that data is no longer of any value they then make you pay with cash. Google Maps API, soon reCaptcha are other products that started out free.

Ever tried a search you may have done 5,10 years ago? Good luck finding obscure old stuff in Google's index even if it still exists - they just don't keep everything forever once it can't have advertising put against it.

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