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McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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> Vegans try --when possible-- not to cause pain on others, or reduce it as much as possible. It is worth making clear, however, that not all vegans share these ethical concerns. Other vegans may have adopted the diet for health reasons (China Study or similar) and do not believe that livestock raising and slaughter is unethical.

Nope. In the definition as is very well agreed upon, vegans are against the commodification of animals and do not use/consume animal (derived) products when not needed. This goes beyond diet (hence veganism setting itself apart from vegetarianism which is only a diet). What you name are people following a plant based diet. Vegan follow pretty much a plant based diet. But other do as well for other reasons that "the v…

> In the definition as is very well agreed upon,

No, the definition that is "very well agreed upon" is purely the lack of animal products in the food. The logo on supermarket products that denotes the product as "good for vegans" is based purely on that lack of animal products, not on any ethical beliefs beyond that.

Also, even among those who would call themselves vegan for ethical reasons and so do not eat animals or dairy products, there are a considerable amount of people without qualms about using animal products in other spheres of life than food.

You seem to be trying to do gatekeeping about what a "real vegan" is and cut out those who don’t share your purist animal-rights obsession. That is obnoxious.

> (hence veganism setting itself apart from vegetarianism which is only a diet).

Veganism has set itself apart from vegetarianism because in common parlance the latter term covers diets that allow milk products.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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1. Olive oil, red meat, avocado, beans, nuts. 2. There are no unhealthy foods, only unhealthy diets. Even a bowl of ice cream isn't unhealthy if you're getting all your nutrients and not eating too many calories.

on 2. , I think every doctor on the planet would say you should never eat/drink McDonalds, Coca-cola, red bull and other "food that isn't food" items.

"Every doctor" would be wrong. The guy from the Fat Head documentary showed that you can lose weight and become healthier on an all-McDonalds diet.

Also, the food pyramid (which, admittedly, is so incorrect that it should cause you to question any healthcare professional who quotes it) does include a small layer for fat, oil, sugar, and sweets, implying you can have them as an occasional treat but not all the time. No doctor is going to tell you to never eat at McDonalds, only to make it a rare treat.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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In several countries in Europe, McDonald's has served plant-based alternatives for years. In Sweden they serve the McVegan, for example: https://www.mcdonalds.com/se/sv-se/product/mcvegan.html

In Germany they introduced the Big Vegan TS (based on the Nestlé Incredible Burger) in April 2019. As far as I know it found great adoption and they even added the smaller Veganburger TS (same patty) to their menu. With the Big Vegan TS and all the sauces on there you can hardly tell it isn’t meat.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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I persobally will continue to avoid McDonalds but think this is not a bad initiative. I’ve been eating a whole lot less meat lately and don’t miss it at all. I sometimes have veggie burgers from Trader Joe’s and they are, surprisingly, very good. I also tried veggie salamy and bologna and they are quite good as well though the heavy processing is a big turn off for me.

The biggest turn off for me is that those plant-based alternatives are in no way any bit healthier than their real-meat originals.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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I’ve been vegan for about 15 years.. I love Daiya cheese for pizzas and it melts well too. There are also a number of specialty cheeses that are great. I think if you live in a decent sized city you can find great vegan pizza / supplies.

Interesting! Daiya is very bland to me. I do like many of cashew cheeses.

So their original mozzarella is best for me, but the new flavors and textures not so much.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Ignorance is a drug. Righteous indignation is just anger, the only emotion that ever drives real progress. The world would be a better place if you and everybody else stopped eating meat, sorry that triggers you.

Nah no problem. Look silly all you like. I'm just trying to help here. Everybody has their own place they've reached on their journey. Some are still in their early idealistic phase - like a college junior with all the answers and nothing better to do than shoot the bull. Some have seen a bit of water under the bridge, and recognize this.

Your condescension is obnoxious and pathetic -- I've lived and seen more than you ever will. You're the "bull" in this analogy? Haha! I couldn't care less about your boring, pointless "journey".

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Nope. In the definition as is very well agreed upon, vegans are against the commodification of animals and do not use/consume animal (derived) products when not needed. This goes beyond diet (hence veganism setting itself apart from vegetarianism which is only a diet). What you name are people following a plant based diet. Vegan follow pretty much a plant based diet. But other do as well for other reasons that "the v…

> In the definition as is very well agreed upon, No, the definition that is "very well agreed upon" is purely the lack of animal products in the food. The logo on supermarket products that denotes the product as "good for vegans" is based purely on that lack of animal products, not on any ethical beliefs beyond that. Also, even among those who would call themselves vegan for ethical reasons and so do not eat animals…

> No, the definition that is "very well agreed upon"

That's what you say. I'm a vegan for 7+ years and know many. One thing so great about veganism is that the mission/definition is very clear. Pls see Wikipedia, or one of the many introductions on YT.

> The logo on supermarket products that denotes the product as "good for vegans" is based purely on that lack of animal products, not on any ethical beliefs beyond that.

Supermarkt product dont hold ethical beliefs. They may fit with certain beliefs though. That's what's indicated with "suitable for vegetarians/vegans". They could be more "correct" or cater for a wider public by saying: "fits with a plant based diet".

Plant based is the word for the diet component of veganism.

> there are a considerable amount of people without qualms about using animal products in other spheres of life than food.

They are not vegan according to the definition.

> Veganism has set itself apart from vegetarianism because in common parlance the latter term covers diets that allow milk products.

And eggs. And honey. And the fact that veganism is more than a diet, hence vegans not going to zoos and not buying wool/fur/slik/leather.

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