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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by viraptor »

robertlagrant wrote: post #800
BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

This is a confusing comment. If your mother doesn't need more than 8GB RAM, why should she have to pay for more? It's not as though you can't order more if you want it. It wouldn't force the industry to offer more. It would just mean purchasers such as your mother wouldn't buy a Mac.

> It's not as though you can't order more if you want it.

You can't upgrade it on new Mac laptops. The ram is basically fully integrated in the system now.

You can do 16gb for silly high price, but that's also not massive these days.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by rorykoehler »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

I’ve got 64gb Ram in my mbp.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by alexott »

skrause wrote: post #843
BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

Even worse is that the RAM upgrade pricing hasn't changed in almost a decade. When I bought my 2012 MacBook Air more than eight years ago it cost me 100 euros to upgrade from 4 to 8 GB of RAM. Currently it costs 225 euros in the German Apple Store to upgrade form 8 to 16 GB, which is a higher per GB price than in 2012!

I upgraded my MacBook in 2012 from 4 to 16gb for 110 euro... Just put new memory even before first booting

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by wukerplank »

barrenko wrote: post #839
oblib wrote: post #805

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking the same thing. I have new Pi and it's pretty close performance wise to my old Mac Mini which is still a fine desktop PC.

Seriously considering getting a Pi for Christmas (8gb) as my current laptop is slowly dying, and just do python on it and return to a simpler life.

My 2012 Macbook Pro was also slowly dying. As a Hail Mary I opened it up, cleaned it and renewed the thermal paste on CPU and GPU. Now it's back to old speeds!

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by petepete »

physicsguy wrote: post #837
BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

My MBP from 2013 has 8gb RAM and I considered that an essential upgrade at the time!

I only upgraded from my 2013 MBP this time last year. Through most of that time the macbook was my workhorse as a contractor. It's still more than sufficient for many of the web and data jobs I did.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by encom »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #741
o-__-o wrote: post #575

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BRB gonna fire up Netscape on my brand new MacBook Air

Netscape?! That's for the kids, we used NCSA Mosaic and liked it. I suspect lynx is still around in some form.

Lynx is bloatware. Just use telnet.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by BatteryMountain »

voxgen wrote: post #846
BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

This was an expected step of the evolution of the Memory Hierarchy. RAM is just bigger-but-slower CPU cache. Swapfile is just bigger-but-slower RAM. There's always a trade-off between size and speed. Incorporating RAM into the CPU package gives a big performance boost at the expense of maximum capacity. To compensate for the reduced performance in tasks that require more memory, you can either add another layer into…

Jisss to be honest the new PlayStation and Xbox hardware is amazing, specificially how the memory/cpu/mobo and streaming system will work. Wish we had something like that in PC land. Then again, their workflow is basically streaming data from disk, thus this round they optimized that hell out of that chunk of the pipeline.

Hopefully AMD learn lessons from that sphere and can bring some of that to our sphere.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by SifJar »

winrid wrote: post #809
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #807

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The vast majority of laptops in the $999 range are bought by people that only need "devices that only my mother would use"

A bit out of touch I think. All the midde age mothers I know personally buy $300 laptops from Walmart.

I think the point was that the people who buy the $999 laptops would be fine with the $300 laptops

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by kortilla »

coldtea wrote: post #783
kabacha wrote: post #683

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I really don't get it. How much difference could 8 to 16gb be in terms of price? Is Apple really doing this to save 20$ per machine? Even if you somehow could argue that 8 is all you need now, what about in few years? No one should ever buy this device.

> Even if you somehow could argue that 8 is all you need now, what about in few years? What about it? It's not like someone who mostly browses the web, checks email, works with office documents, and so on, will change what he does in a few years...

> will change what he does in a few years...

The fatal flaw in this argument is the failure to realize that web pages are bloating, video is becoming more prevalent, higher resolution images, etc.

So “browses the web” has ever increasing hardware requirements if you want to maintain the experience.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by nfin »

alexott wrote: post #853
skrause wrote: post #843

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even worse is that the RAM upgrade pricing hasn't changed in almost a decade. When I bought my 2012 MacBook Air more than eight years ago it cost me 100 euros to upgrade from 4 to 8 GB of RAM. Currently it costs 225 euros in the German Apple Store to upgrade form 8 to 16 GB, which is a higher per GB price than in 2012!

I upgraded my MacBook in 2012 from 4 to 16gb for 110 euro... Just put new memory even before first booting

it seens that RAM is now in the package, making it very very hard (almost impossible in practical terms) to upgrade.

Right? Or did I miss something?

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