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Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by matchbok »

zaroth wrote: post #80
tzs wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gore spends 30 days pursuing recounts in 2000 before conceding but Trump is supposedly a dangerous dictator for not conceding. Are you comparing pursuing recounts in a single state when the vote difference there is around 500 votes out of nearly 6 million (an amount that is well within the range that recounts frequently reverse) to pursuing recounts in several states where the differences are far larger than any re…

Yes? I doubt entirely Trump will prevail, but there's no question he's entitled to due process. Votes are still being counted. If the situation was reversed, I doubt Biden would concede until the last vote was counted either. In any case, when he loses--and then looks like a sore loser--it can only possibly help democratic turnout in the GA runoff. Anyway, that's arguing the finer points and missing the forest for th…

MSM is not angry towards trump, they are angry towards a guy who sexual assaults women and who lies every single day. There is a difference. Too bad the snowflakes on the right don't get it.

You ever think there is a possibility trump just lies more? Every think about that crazy idea?

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by jdkee »

I teach a course titles "Free Speech, Fake News and Foreign Influence in American Democracy." As part of the course I assign my students to watch and discuss a lecture by Jack Balkin at Yale on the modalities of 20th/21st century media. In it Prof. Balkin really hits home the aspect of how we pay for the news in the 21st century under the model of surveillance capitalism. It is a fantastic lecture and well worth the hour or so.

https://youtu.be/4daIk8PCPIc

See also https://digitalcommons.law.buffalo.edu/buffalolawreview/vol6...

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by Stronico »

I read a print version of the NYT recently and the feeling I got was quite different than the web version - mostly in that what was being pushed on you was "news", not opinion. Almost all of it could be described as "These People Did This Thing In This Place". It was great actually, dispassionate and informative. The editorials were packed away somewhere in the back, not worth looking for. A very different experience than the web version.

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by seppin »

Stronico wrote: post #93

I read a print version of the NYT recently and the feeling I got was quite different than the web version - mostly in that what was being pushed on you was "news", not opinion. Almost all of it could be described as "These People Did This Thing In This Place". It was great actually, dispassionate and informative. The editorials were packed away somewhere in the back, not worth looking for. A very different experience…

I still don't understand why any news org has an opinion page. The two have nothing to do with one another.

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by MattGaiser »

seppin wrote: post #94
Stronico wrote: post #93

I read a print version of the NYT recently and the feeling I got was quite different than the web version - mostly in that what was being pushed on you was "news", not opinion. Almost all of it could be described as "These People Did This Thing In This Place". It was great actually, dispassionate and informative. The editorials were packed away somewhere in the back, not worth looking for. A very different experience…

I still don't understand why any news org has an opinion page. The two have nothing to do with one another.

In a lot of the world, they don't really have unbiased newspapers. Except for the BBC, newspapers in the UK openly fly their colours for example.

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by solatic »

Why doesn't NYT establish a separate "woke" section?

It's not like NYT can't publish bias; it has the Opinion section. NYT has grown into a media empire and is pumping out more content in more areas than ever before. Why not just create a new "woke" section, where progressives are given more reign over what to publish and in what tenor?

The erosion of journalistic standards in Newsroom and Opinion will ultimately bring about its downfall. Those standards are the reason why so many people subscribe. If the standards fall away, eventually some other outlet will come along upholding those standards and siphon away the subscriber base.

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by mattkrause »

pdonis wrote: post #83
IgorPartola wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it could be quite simple actually. If Paxos can do it, so can we :). I also definitely got a chuckle that you thought this part was impossible, not the brain interface.

> I also definitely got a chuckle that you thought this part was impossible, not the brain interface. That's because brain interfaces in the same general category already exist. Much less sophisticated, of course, but as the saying goes, that's just an implementation detail. :-)

I'm dying to know what you think is close.

Most of the big successes have been involved "reading" brain signals and using them to control things like the modular prosthetic limb or speech synthesis.

In contrast, it seems like most of the "write" stuff has been comparatively crude (e.g., phosphenes in visual areas), though the somatosensory stuff (also for the modular limb) is pretty neat. Have I missed something?

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by syrrim »

0goel0 wrote: post #85
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #62

The sad decline of media into partisanship. The New York Times is as partisan in its readership as MSNBC or Fox(!!). https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/01/americans-m...

What you link to doesn't back your claim. It tells me that people think orgs are partisan, not that they actually are.

GP is making a claim about the readership, not the orgs themselves.

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by duxup »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #62

The sad decline of media into partisanship. The New York Times is as partisan in its readership as MSNBC or Fox(!!). https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/01/americans-m...

>The New York Times is as partisan

That article talks about the reader's partisanship, not the actual content or particular news org.

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by musicale »

asdff wrote: post #16
damnencryption wrote: post #7

I have a simpler explanation for media failure. Huge job cuts. Many journalists are now doing work of multiple positions in many places especially online media. New York Times has reduced the number of their total editors in the last 10 years for example. Every major online media had layoffs comparable to 10% of their total workforce in the last 5 years. It affects mid level journalists the most so there are more int…

While that seems intiutive that NYT is being sidestepped by free sources, they are in fact doing very well as a business and reporting record profits. They have no debt, in fact through cash on hand and lines of credit they have access to over a billion dollars. They bought out their headquarters in midtown manhattan. Their stock price is near all time highs. People pay for quality. It's why people still pay for serv…

> instead of watching free content on youtube

or in addition to

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