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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Who downvoted your comment and why ? This is a good comment and good strategy to teach them a lesson. Without some efforts those companies would not recall moral values. Richard Stallman was warning us about this development long ago and he was right. Cripled hardware is useless for hacking mind.

Because it’s just creating e-waste, and if you do it enough they’ll stop selling you things.

Hey, wait a second. You seem to be implying that they'll just (irresponsibly) throw out machines returned for "other" reasons, but is that true?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

The pro has ports on both sides

The M1 Pros don't have ports on both sides.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Here[1] is an article from The Verge that goes into the full differences with confirmation from Apple. For those too lazy to click through, yes the fan is the biggest difference. Beyond that the screen in the Air is slightly darker, the base model has worse chips due to binning, the battery is smaller, and there is obviously the Touchbar. [1] - https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/10/21559228/apple-new-macbo...

IIRC, the Pro’s display also has a higher P3 gamut vs sRGB on the Air’s.

With this update, the Air's display gets the P3 gamut.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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This is going to be awkward and then it'll eventually become pretty good. From Apple's perspective, they're making the right move to their own CPU design. Apple has always been about controlling the user experience and by bringing it all in-house it takes things that were out of their control (Intel) and allows them to increase their vertical integration, unifying their product lines, and increasing market differentiation.

It's been clear for a while that ARM processors have hit near desktop performance and it took the megacompany of Apple to push it over the edge.

I'm a dedicated non-Mac user at home, but at work I always chose the MBP option over the craptastic Dell PoS that'll start turning into broken plastic pieces within a year or the latest Microsoft offering which seems to suffer from endless software and driver struggles.

The software story will take a while to work out, but Apple has made this transition TWO times before, which is astonishing. Nobody else has done this successfully. Part of the reason is there is simply less of a need among Mac users to maintain backwards compatibility and simply far less software to carry forward. Even then, it appears that Apple has done some kind of magic to allow older software to work on the new architecture without too much fuss -- I'm awaiting some benchmarks!

(This will hopefully push more of the industry to look at desktop ARM systems)

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

#765

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Who downvoted your comment and why ? This is a good comment and good strategy to teach them a lesson. Without some efforts those companies would not recall moral values. Richard Stallman was warning us about this development long ago and he was right. Cripled hardware is useless for hacking mind.

Because it’s just creating e-waste, and if you do it enough they’ll stop selling you things.

"How do we get these companies to stop behaving like this?"

"Vote with your wallet!"

"Not like that!!"

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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16GB RAM max prevented me from an immediate purchase. Next year, when I can at least have 32GB and be somewhat future-proofed. That they are still selling new computers for $1000+ in 2020 with 8GB RAM as the default and 16GB of RAM max is a bad joke.

Dell XPS 1000+ 8GB, Lenovo X1: 1000+ 8GB, Thinkpad T14s 1000+ 8GB, this list could be long. Even System76 linux computers are 1000+ for 8GB config. I do not know where you got this idea that 1000+ laptop have 16GB default. I am sure there will be consumer (crap) computers like HP pavilion, Dell inspiron etc where one can get 1000+ computer with 16GB or so RAM.

Recently bought a Thinkpad E15 Gen2 with 24 GB of RAM for less than $1000. (Different country though (Japan), and ~6 week wait, but extremely reputable retailer)

* As to how that deal worked, I'm guessing that large retailers that agree to buy a lot of laptops get a large discount.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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The 16GB RAM limit is unfortunate. Five years later and I still can't buy a new 13" laptop from Apple with more RAM than my 2015 MBP. Edit: Apparently you can configure a (Early 2020) Intel-based 13" MBP with 32GB of RAM - I was not aware of that. Hope they bring that option to the ARM versions ASAP, especially if the performance gains are as good as Apple claims.

"The 16GB RAM limit is unfortunate." This is a charitable characterization. More correct would be to term this limit "absurd" or "clownish". Even if Apple views the use-cases of these machines as primarily consumption devices and the users of these machines not as creators but as consumers, the bloat of the modern web is expensive and getting more expensive every day. The end user needs this memory even if they reall…

More and more I perceive Apple to be relieving themselves a #2 on their customers' heads while telling them that they should be thankful and enjoy it.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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You're confusing CPU and memory pressure, and attributing blame to the wrong component. Android's lack of smoothness is due to thread contention, whereas the iOS kernel uses a dedicated UI thread running at high priority. RAM size has no impact on UI performance, beyond a sufficient amount for the kernel.

To add on to this, the person you are replying to is also quite wrong. Android devices definitely can be smooth and many go past 60hz now and have higher refresh rates than Apple products.

I don't care that the p90 UI latency performance is better, the p99 performance on Android devices is terrible (UI stuttering).

I use a Pixel 3 and iPhone 8 on a daily basis.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I have Firefox, Slack, MS Team, MS Word, MS Excel, and Onenote opened. The world's most boring office worker use case. I know it's a deceptive metric but Task Manager shows 12.5GB "In Use". 16.2 Committed. Each Firefox tab has between 250mb and 1g "Memory (Active Working Area)". HUUUUUGeeeee long tail of 100MB trailing down to 20MB services and things. Adobe has half a dozen at all times, etc etc etc. I'm game to use…

Yes, largely because two of those are (bad) Electron apps that eat way more memory than they have any right to.

What is the person buying a laptop supposed to do about that?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

#770

I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

MBP will have a fan, so presumably it will avoid thermal throttling (or throttle less).
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