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Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by mcphage »

tathougies wrote: post #45
IgorPartola wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do I really need to point you towards the Trump lie tracker? I am only exaggerating a little when I say that if he says ten words, he emits 11 lies.

Nice dodge of the question! I cited specific examples of ludicrous things he's said that have come true, and you cite small lies he's told. I can do the same for any politician you name, that doesn't mean they never say something worth listening to. Like I said though... Keep going. People like you have converted me from a never Trumper to a Trump supporter. And people like you have converted my aunt, a former Obama-…

> I cited specific examples of ludicrous things he's said that have come true, and you cite small lies he's told.

So your defense of “Trump lies constantly” is “not absolutely every thing he says is a lie”, which is true, but man, that’s a really weak defense. Congrats, you set the bar low enough that he can get over it, but maybe having to set that bar so low is a problem.

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by earthboundkid »

grecy wrote: post #69
damnencryption wrote: post #7

I have a simpler explanation for media failure. Huge job cuts. Many journalists are now doing work of multiple positions in many places especially online media. New York Times has reduced the number of their total editors in the last 10 years for example. Every major online media had layoffs comparable to 10% of their total workforce in the last 5 years. It affects mid level journalists the most so there are more int…

Yup. A buddy was a photographer for a very well respected newspaper. In a grand cost-cutting measure the newspaper simply bought all the reporters iPhones and fired all the photographers. The reporters are now expected to take photos for their own articles "Because iPhones make that really easy".

That was the Chicago Sun-Times in 2013. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/01/business/media/chicago-su...

At Tronc, they had an all hands shortly after buying the NY Daily News. A staffer on the call said “we’re ‘New York’s picture paper’ but our equipment is all old. When can we get new cameras?” On the call, the execs said NYDN is losing money, so it will have to get profitable first. Then a few months later, they fired all photographers and social media people.

https://petapixel.com/2018/07/26/ny-daily-news-cuts-all-phot...

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by pdonis »

IgorPartola wrote: post #66
pdonis wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And of course all the information is gathered in aggregators that automatically verify that multiple people did witness the particular event to verify authenticity. In other words, "and then a miracle occurs". I don't see how this requirement could ever be met in general. For particular cases (like first responders at an emergency being able to directly feed what they are seeing and doing), perhaps.

I think it could be quite simple actually. If Paxos can do it, so can we :). I also definitely got a chuckle that you thought this part was impossible, not the brain interface.

> I also definitely got a chuckle that you thought this part was impossible, not the brain interface.

That's because brain interfaces in the same general category already exist. Much less sophisticated, of course, but as the saying goes, that's just an implementation detail. :-)

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

mncharity wrote: post #59

Another perspective: > As a “big S” Socialist [...] I often find myself explaining my preference for the pink paper of liberal capitalism over the Gray Lady of cultural liberalism. The answer is simple: by literally any measure, the Financial Times is just a better paper. It covers the world as it is—a global battle not of ideas or values, but of economic and political interests. [1] [1] Why the Left Can’t Stand The…

Economic and political clashes are not reality.

Like the great houses of Game of Thrones fighting a huge civil war, while an unstoppable army of wights readies invasion from the north.

Perhaps one can throw around accusations of bias in economics and politics easily, but our own world squabbles in internecine insular conflict while Global Warming, Species Depletion, and other major threats loom.

If your "side" denies the existence and threat of those and calls those "liberal" issues, then it taints the entire "side" it represents.

The denialism of global warming the fundamental argument to "reality has a liberal bias". Until the right accept the basics of rationalism and science, "centrist" media should appear liberally biased to the right wing zealots of our time.

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by 0goel0 »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #62

The sad decline of media into partisanship. The New York Times is as partisan in its readership as MSNBC or Fox(!!). https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/01/americans-m...

What you link to doesn't back your claim. It tells me that people think orgs are partisan, not that they actually are.

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by ajay-b »

I Was looking at a newspaper from the 1940s and the difference in content presented then, versus even now in large print newspapers, is astounding. There was so much more information conveyed back then, less opinions more information that people could use. It makes me think that our definition of news has gotten away from its original meaning

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by rayiner »

Tucker Carlson defended the NYT in 2009, saying the paper had a liberal slant but was careful about the facts. He urged conservative media to pay attention to accuracy. But sadly, after devastating revenue losses from 2010-2016, the NYT decided to become Fox News instead.

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by matchbok »

RickJWagner wrote: post #71

What now, indeed. When Trump is gone, what will the NYT do when an African-American is killed in a police matter? How will they spin incidents of unrest? The Times has gone way past the pale in terms of left/right. They are now in the same boat MSNBC/CNN/NBC/etc. are in (the opposite boat than the one occupied by Fox/Breitbart/etc.) They won't be considered 'news' much. Will they try to tack more to center, or go who…

Uh, like they did when Obama was president? The same as long as current president isn't encouraging violence? You cutely act like trump doesn't encourage this crap. Nonsense.

Comparing the times to breitbart shows how ignorant you are. Breitbart peddled conspiracy theories (seth rich, dem voter fraud etc) while the times reports... the news.

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by matchbok »

_fq4v wrote: post #31
IgorPartola wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are confusing anti-Trump bias with telling the truth. Trump being a pathological liar means that any given story about him will sound bad. Example: “Trump said today he is still under audit and unable to release his tax returns. Of course there is zero reason why being under audit would prevent someone from releasing their tax returns and the most likely explanation is that there is evidence of tax fraud that can…

Okay, sure, Trump misrepresented that maybe -- although his tax returns are typical of someone with lots of depreciable real estate, and don't have much evidence of fraud. But let's talk about other so-called trump 'lies'. What about the continued doubts by the NYT that there would soon be news about a working coronavirus vaccine at the end of October, early November? What about the Steele Dossier that is now known t…

Trump lies every day, and you have ... the ukraine thing.

Gotcha.

You don't convince people to stop telling the truth with your cute little nonsense about turning people pro-trump. On election day, this year, he claimed victory before all the votes were counted. If you support that, you don't support democracy. Nothing else compares.

Every time a right wing tries to say the "media" is unfair I ask for a single example and they always fail. 100% of the time. All just a bunch of whiners IMO.

But sure, please take pride in your support of Trump, who peddled the racist conspiracy theory that Obama isn't a citizen. Good for you champ.

Re: Times Change: Inside the New York Times’ Heated Reckoning With Itself

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Post by rayiner »

ianmobbs wrote: post #15
damnencryption wrote: post #7

I have a simpler explanation for media failure. Huge job cuts. Many journalists are now doing work of multiple positions in many places especially online media. New York Times has reduced the number of their total editors in the last 10 years for example. Every major online media had layoffs comparable to 10% of their total workforce in the last 5 years. It affects mid level journalists the most so there are more int…

Did you read the article? The Times now employs more people than it ever has and is doing better financially than ever.

NYT revenues were over $3 billion/year in 2005. It’s under $2 billion now: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NYT/new-york-times...
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