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(Ubuntu) 11.04, a leap forward

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Re: (Ubuntu) 11.04, a leap forward

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I very much hope that this will become standard practice across all of free software, because in my view the future of free software is no longer just about inner beauty (architecture, performance, efficiency) it’s also about usability and style. +1

Re: (Ubuntu) 11.04, a leap forward

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The sticking point for me with Unity was switching between multiple open windows. I typically have a dozen or so terminals and gedit and Chrome windows open across a half-dozen workspaces, but if I want to bring (let's say) a specific terminal on my current workspace to the foreground, I couldn't figure out a better way to do it than to open up Unity's display of all the many terminals I have running and try to pick out which one I mean.

I'm open to trying it again once it's had a bit more polish, but I'm sticking with Gnome classic for now.

Re: (Ubuntu) 11.04, a leap forward

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One of the great things about Linux in general is that this is non-news plenty of users who don't use the default window manager anyway. Prefer something else? Just switch. You're not married to the window manager like you are on OS X and Windows. I'm very happy for that. (Edit: I should clarify that I'm writing this in anticipations that the general sentiment will be that Unity is terrible. If you don't think it's t…

Indeed. I just installed 10.10 on a Thinkpad W500 using the Trinity KDE3 dstro. I ever cared for Gnome; lack of easy menu hacking and navigation and not being able to set different backgrounds for each desktop were among my peeves. KDE4 didn't work for me, either. Too much slickness for stuff I had no use for. Lucky for me some smart, motivated people decided to keep KDE3 alive. My eternal thanks to them. A downside…

I think you should give Openbox or Fluxbox or LXDE a try. A lot many features to customize, and initially it will be pain in the ass, but eventually you will be satisfied.

Re: (Ubuntu) 11.04, a leap forward

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Yes, the Gospel according to Mark. I've used Unity on the netbook for the past 6 months, and when 11.04 beta was released, switched to Kubuntu. It was just too slow, what with the 3d reliance and the idea that everytime you searched the launcher it polled the software center for matches. As for the desktop, I've no problem with it, just that make sure you don't try anything Gnome3 with it, as it will seriously break your system.

Re: (Ubuntu) 11.04, a leap forward

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post #12

The sticking point for me with Unity was switching between multiple open windows. I typically have a dozen or so terminals and gedit and Chrome windows open across a half-dozen workspaces, but if I want to bring (let's say) a specific terminal on my current workspace to the foreground, I couldn't figure out a better way to do it than to open up Unity's display of all the many terminals I have running and try to pick…

All my terminals are tabbed in one window.

But I hear yea; switching between several windows for the same application is not very keyboard-friendly.

Re: (Ubuntu) 11.04, a leap forward

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I am a longtime Ubuntu user and I turned off Unity as soon as I figured out how to do it. It is really really wrong IMO. Shuttleworth should realize that a desktop computer with a mouse is very different from an iPad and things that are all the rage for tablets are not necessarily good for desktops. For example on a desktop you have a mouse which has very high precision and accuracy, whereas on an iPad you have your…

Actually, unity has that feature where if you drag a window towards the side of the monitor, it'll tile to one half instead of the full monitor.

What really bugs me is the dumb launch menu. I think it's pretty much the same idea as the one on macs. Who the hell decided that it was a good idea to group applications together? Why is everyone (win7 also) following suit? It's dumb to extrapolate that just because two windows are from the same application that I'm using them for the same task and want them grouped together. It's also dumb that when I give one look at the bar I can't immediately tell what is open. I have to consciously scan all the way down. Finally, I hate the additional click it brings when I have to pick between two windows of the same app. Does anyone really know how anyone decided on this? I'll stop complaining when they let me disable it.

Re: (Ubuntu) 11.04, a leap forward

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I am a longtime Ubuntu user and I turned off Unity as soon as I figured out how to do it. It is really really wrong IMO. Shuttleworth should realize that a desktop computer with a mouse is very different from an iPad and things that are all the rage for tablets are not necessarily good for desktops. For example on a desktop you have a mouse which has very high precision and accuracy, whereas on an iPad you have your…

http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-sh...

First, using keys to switch between windows makes Unity harder not easier to use. Second, the keys are not a good replacement for the bar that has all the minimized windows. With the keys you do not know what is already, you have to remember numbers of applications, etc.

Re: (Ubuntu) 11.04, a leap forward

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I have to say, as an Awesome WM user, I was sceptical of Unity. But after a day of using it, I think I might never go back to Awesome. It is just ridiculously well thought out, in a way that I have never experienced on Linux before. It really is a leap, if only for the methodology they used. I hope other distros start doing this kind of deep analysis.

I went from wmii to gnome-shell after trying Fedora 15. How does Unity compare with gnome-shell, especially with regard to performance?

Re: (Ubuntu) 11.04, a leap forward

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post #18

I have to say, as an Awesome WM user, I was sceptical of Unity. But after a day of using it, I think I might never go back to Awesome. It is just ridiculously well thought out, in a way that I have never experienced on Linux before. It really is a leap, if only for the methodology they used. I hope other distros start doing this kind of deep analysis.

I went from wmii to gnome-shell after trying Fedora 15. How does Unity compare with gnome-shell, especially with regard to performance?

I last tried gnome-shell when it was buggy as hell, so it's probably not a good comparison- but Unity is fast, really fast. Having used a minimalist wm for a long time, I'm generally intolerant of lag and other nonsense that gets in the way, but Unity was as fast as any wm I've ever used. A lot of it depends on the quality of the gpu, so ymmv.

Re: (Ubuntu) 11.04, a leap forward

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I liked Unity the UI itself but the fact that it was a Compiz plugin turned me off for my main desktop. My WM history goes FVWM2→Sawfish→Metacity. This means I've developed usage habits over the last 15 years that I expect the window manager to oblige with. Compiz is not... very coherent in that.

Compiz has tons of options but not all of them work yet there is only nearly everything that FVWM2 and Sawfish had. The transition to Metacity was a bit grumpy since it certainly didn't allow for all the things that Sawfish did, but eventually it was tolerable as I could configure the essentials right and it was much better integrated with Gnome than Sawfish.

Compiz, however, seems to be more concerned about cool effects than real adjustability and coherent configuration! I use the keyboard for most things, rarely the mouse, and thus I have a number of keyboard shortcuts to launch programs, do window operations, flip around virtual desktops etc. That means I need to carefully configure the keys to work with me, as well as take care of unbinding anything that I might need in an application. So here's an example.

I expect to be able to configure those in the Keyboard Shortcuts window but Compiz apparently pays not much attention to what's set up there. I then googled and tried the ``ccsm`` utility but using the Commands plugin to bind actions into keys didn't work either. For some reason, in Unity/Compiz the t brings up the fucking trashcan can no matter what I do while I think the same keyboard combination is just perfect for my terminal. I don't want to use Ctrl-Alt-t instead because control and alt are valid application modifiers, and it especially in Emacs translated to transpose-sexps. The super key is great for any of these meta or desktop-level bindings.

So here we are: the program insists on something and thinks it should win. It was after I realized Unity is based on Compiz that I had ditched Compiz before, pretty much for the same reasons. Enabling the desktop effects in earlier Ubuntus was tempting but I never got my keyboard bindings and desktop behaviour quite right wrt that.

A non-compiz Unity would probably be a killer: I like the dock and the Super key menu where you can just type the name of an application and find it in real-time.

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