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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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FYI the storage is upgradable on these machines (and it's very straightforward to do). It's a nonstandard SSD interface, but you can official modules 2nd hand on ebay quite cheaply these days.

$20 will get you an adapter that allows standard m2 NVMe. I have one on my Amazon wishlist, just haven’t pulled the trigger yet.

Could you share a link to it? Thanks!

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

Not having the Touch Bar is worth at least several hundred dollars.

ya, would pay money to get rid of the touch bar for sure.

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I'll be sticking with my 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13". Great machine, not too thin, heavy enough, no stupid touch screen, usb ports, great keyboard. Everything apple has done since hasn't compared.

The only bad thing about the current 16" is the Touch Bar. There is a lot to like about the rest though.

That and the lack of upgradable RAM/ storage.

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16GB RAM max prevented me from an immediate purchase. Next year, when I can at least have 32GB and be somewhat future-proofed. That they are still selling new computers for $1000+ in 2020 with 8GB RAM as the default and 16GB of RAM max is a bad joke.

Dell XPS 1000+ 8GB, Lenovo X1: 1000+ 8GB, Thinkpad T14s 1000+ 8GB, this list could be long. Even System76 linux computers are 1000+ for 8GB config. I do not know where you got this idea that 1000+ laptop have 16GB default. I am sure there will be consumer (crap) computers like HP pavilion, Dell inspiron etc where one can get 1000+ computer with 16GB or so RAM.

It's not about the default. It's about the maximum, like I said.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Did I miss something, or are they, once again, not upgrading the camera? The low light performance of the current version is real bad. Since we're all using these cameras way more, I really thought there would a hardware bump. You can only squeeze so much detail out of an under-exposed, noisy image with software.

It's looking like they stuck the M1 in the same bodies of existing Macs with the intention of upgrading everything next year.

This is exactly right. They could have done everything in one go, but they had to change the keyboard and call that the 5th generation macbook pro. Like they didn't even include wifi 6 in the previous model nor did they hold an event for it. Kuo says a redesign is due in 2021, but apple can't keep getting away with doing the same thing since 2016. There are laptops with dual screens, 4k touch screens, vapeor chamber cooling, and apple just be changing out the keyboard for the next gen. This new chip is good for the chip industry, but it's not really a different laptop at all.

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This is the best news I’ve heard all day, thank you! I’m totally fine with a chromebook-style unsigned boot warning.

Why not just support a company that doesn't do this crap?

I would happily.

Who else is making 8 core, 18 hour battery life laptops that have >200ppi displays and weigh The choice is now performance xor privacy.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

Better screen, better thermals (this is really important, hopefully they do it right), larger battery (almost 15%).

At 1500$ for 16GB version 13" Pro seems like a really good value deal for on the go workstation - if M1 benchmarks come out decent.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I'll be sticking with my 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13". Great machine, not too thin, heavy enough, no stupid touch screen, usb ports, great keyboard. Everything apple has done since hasn't compared.

I have this generation air and a recent pro... call me crazy, but somehow the hard edges of the pro are super uncomfortable when the laptop is on my lap. Maybe an air vs pro thing rather than generation thing

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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More ram is patch for components that aren’t hyper-optimized to work together. The whole point of what apple is doing with their own silicon is to create that optimization, thus reducing the need for excessive ram. It’s worked for them for iPad and iPhone. Samsung et all would boast more ram but oddly enough iPhones were and remain faster

Not sure the downvoting ... Even with 16, 32gb of ram, Android phones still don’t have buttery smooth 60 FPS while iOS has never been smoother

You're confusing CPU and memory pressure, and attributing blame to the wrong component.

Android's lack of smoothness is due to thread contention, whereas the iOS kernel uses a dedicated UI thread running at high priority. RAM size has no impact on UI performance, beyond a sufficient amount for the kernel.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

The M1 chip will for sure sustain higher performance in the Pro because it has active cooling.

Apple ramps their chip performance dramatically and frequently in iOS devices; that’s how they hit such high benchmarks but also deliver long battery life and stay cool. Those chips spend most of their time not performing.

In such a system, having “the same chip” in two different devices will not tell you much about their relative performance under real world loads.

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