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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I backed a game a while ago on Kickstarter with native support for Windows, MacOS and Linux. Several weeks ago they sent us a message saying they were ditching the MacOS version due the architecture change. I wonder how it'll affect the whole ecosystem. I think it'll end being like an iOS on steroids.

How hard would it be to release an ARM version? Also out of curiosity, what game was it?

> How hard would it be to release an ARM version?

Depends on the engine the game uses. Games built on top of frameworks like Unity, Unreal Engine and the like get platform support basically "for free" as long as the framework in question supports the target platform.

Any in-house developed engine might either depend on 3rd party support (e.g. libraries like SFML[1]) or need to be recompiled for the new platform. Depending on architectural differences, optimisation and asset loading (in case endianness[2] differs) needs to be altered accordingly.

The main reason for a decision to cancel a release would be time and effort vs expected sales. The Mac market will be fragmented into Intel and Apple Silicon from now on and every "Mac version" would really be two separate ports (complete with separate QA and optimisation).

An independent studio might just not have the resources and experience to tackle this and a port that doesn't sell can effectively be worse than not releasing on a platform.

edit: [1] https://www.sfml-dev.org [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I missed something — will older apps still work or must all your apps be new versions, recompiled for M1?

They have Rosetta 2 (translates Intel apps to Arm) and said the integrated graphics are so much faster than Intel's you can expect faster performance in games than before. I am quite skeptical of this but let's see.

Will this translation happen at runtime?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

It is definitely an adequate base spec. What would the random MacBook user fill 16GB of RAM with?

On my MBP with Catalina just browsing will get me over 8 gigs. Reaching 16 is another thing, that i did not manage even with Docker and mutiple IDEs in a typical day.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

It is definitely an adequate base spec. What would the random MacBook user fill 16GB of RAM with?

For a $1,000 laptop? I disagree. It’s fine for a $500 one but Apple doesn’t sell those.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I don’t do any tab-hoarding in Chrome (that’s the job of Safari on my machine), but I’m pretty sure that it will suspend tabs long before you run out of RAM. 8 GB is still plenty for web browsing.

I started surfing the net in the 90s with 8MB. :D

BRB gonna fire up Netscape on my brand new MacBook Air

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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You can upgrade the SSD yourself with a kit from OWC.

Don't do this, use an NVMe adapter, lets you use faster/cheaper/bigger normal SSDs. I have one myself and it works perfectly. PS also don't waste your time trying to find ways to repurpose the old Mac SSD, an equivalent SSD or flash drive is cheaper than the enclosures

I bought a PCI adapter for mine. It was cheap (cheaper than the cheapest SSD) and works. The Apple SSD is good enough that it was worth keeping.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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We are not looking at a typical Mac user here, are we?

Slack, Whatsapp, Discord, and Skype, pick any two and I don't think it's unusual.

Never measured whatsapp but it's really pretty performant. Is it heavy?

Slack and discord, on the other hand, are real drags.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Also have this one. It was my first macbook, and I think I got really lucky with getting in when I did. Been going strong for 5 years, and has no difficulty doing anything I need it to do. Only thing I wish I did was get more storage (only got the 128GB model).

You can buy a $20 adapter on Amazon and stick any m.2 nvme ssd in there.

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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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The median Macbook user is not a developer. A web browser and videocalling are the only two from that list you'd expect the median user to be doing with a Macbook.

Also Office. Lots of open Word documents. My "typical Mac user" in this case, is my wife. Her 8GB MBP is holding up very well.

Does macOS handle memory in a way where it just lets RAM fill up to some point before actively doing something about it? Because on my 16gig Macbook 8 gigs are gone just with browsing & spotify.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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> neither do I want to tinker with Ubuntu You can get XPS Developer Edition, System76, Purism, or many other laptop brands (eg. any of these https://elementary.io/store/ with elementaryOS, whose DE should feel fairly familiar to a macOS user) with GNU preinstalled these days.

Although very slowly, this list of companies providing good Linux-ready laptops is growing. I do wish someone would dare ship something high-end non-amd64 (e.g.: ARM). Kinda like what we're seeing from Apple.

First a high-end ARM chip would have to exist. The 8cx is pretty meh compared to the M1.
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