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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by stjohnswarts »

heavyset_go wrote: post #295
grishka wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, a locked bootloader with someone else's public key as the only one trusted? Can you even call that a computer?

This exact issue is something Stallman[1] and others have talked about for a while now[2]. [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.en.html [2] https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

I use a mac for work (and paid for by work) but refuse to spend my money on something I can't use the way I would like to use it. I think that these companies shouldn't be able to lock you out of you using your tractor/car/computer like everyone seems to be moving towards. It's a real shame. I understand if they want to void the warranty because a user blew away some critical firmware, but that's another ball of wax and it's on the user to suffer the consequences.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by _0w8t »

afandian wrote: post #372
TechBro8615 wrote: post #354

Straw poll: I need a new development machine, price is not an object but it has to be a Mac. Should I buy this new M1 or go with the Intel 16 inch MBP? My gut says there’s going to be a year or two of cross-compilation nightmares. I do a lot of Docker-based development. Wondering what everyone else thinks?

I sometimes wonder what the overhead of Docker costs on a Mac. The fact that you have to run a whole linux VM, with guest OS, then send data back and forth over that, especially with volume mapping. I'm sure it can be quantified over running linux directly on the same hardware. My machine (MacBook Pro 13-inch, 2018, 2.7 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3) often runs screaming hot (with screaming fans…

The memory approaches the limit and MacOS starts to compress it which is CPU intensive. Try to limit RAM for Docker VM.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by stjohnswarts »

stjo wrote: post #158
AnonHP wrote: post #140

Apple mentioned in the event that these Macs will have hardware verified secure boot. Since I’m not very knowledgeable in this area, can someone explain (or even try to guess) what this would/could mean for running Linux on these? I use Macs way beyond Apple’s support timeframe with OS X/macOS, and Linux is the one that runs on some of the older Macs and provides adequate security and security related software update…

IIRC at WWC Apple said it would still be possible to boot unsigned OS, but it would show some kind of warning.

I'd be tempted to buy one if this ends up being the case

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by foobiekr »

auggierose wrote: post #299
dcchambers wrote: post #37

The 16GB RAM limit is unfortunate. Five years later and I still can't buy a new 13" laptop from Apple with more RAM than my 2015 MBP. Edit: Apparently you can configure a (Early 2020) Intel-based 13" MBP with 32GB of RAM - I was not aware of that. Hope they bring that option to the ARM versions ASAP, especially if the performance gains are as good as Apple claims.

Think of it that way, you are getting a GPU with 16GB Ram. How much do those cost again?

Just because the memory is unified does not mean the GPU can address all of it.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by reaperducer »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #373
dstick wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go for the 16 inch. I’ve upgraded from my 2015 model (couldn’t stand the butterfly keys) and the wait was worth it! Great keyboard, physical escape key, 16 threads, large screen - great machine. It took them 5 years to get there so don’t get your hopes up for this new one ;-)

Yeah, I think that’s what I’ll do. Although the 16” is bigger than I need; I wish they kept the 13” Intel lineup available.

I wish they kept the 13” Intel lineup available.

They did. They're right there in the store below the M1 models. Just scroll a little bit.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by katbyte »

pkulak wrote: post #399
sneak wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the best news I’ve heard all day, thank you! I’m totally fine with a chromebook-style unsigned boot warning.

Why not just support a company that doesn't do this crap?

Because most people don’t care?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by adwi »

css wrote: post #455
tiffanyh wrote: post #445

I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

Air only has passive cooling; Pro has a fan.

Depending on benchmarks sounds like another win for the MBA...

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by submeta »

AnonHP wrote: post #140

Apple mentioned in the event that these Macs will have hardware verified secure boot. Since I’m not very knowledgeable in this area, can someone explain (or even try to guess) what this would/could mean for running Linux on these? I use Macs way beyond Apple’s support timeframe with OS X/macOS, and Linux is the one that runs on some of the older Macs and provides adequate security and security related software update…

Oh Apple, why are you doing this, taking freedom from your customers. I don‘t want to use Windows, neither do I want to tinker with Ubuntu. But if you keep going that path, you are forcing your power users to think about migrating to platforms that respect users freedom to do whatever they want to do with their machines.

After two years of using an otherwise beautiful iPad Pro (along with my MBP) I came to realize that a crippled machine that is very limited in how I use a computer is not the future of computing I like. The device collects dust for quite some time as I prefer a computing environment where I use the terminal a lot, where I use my bash and Python scripts a lot to automate, where I use Emacs a lot to write tech docs, do my project planning, writing, automating workflows, and many more things that are not doable on a crippled (iPad)OS.

You keep going toward your vision of a computing platform where your customers are just consumers, not hackers and doers, and us hackers need to look for alternative platforms, most propably Linux.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by Osiris »

css wrote: post #455
tiffanyh wrote: post #445

I don't understand the pricing of the MacBook Air vs the 13" Pro. The Air ($1249) vs 13" Pro ($1299), you get: - same CPU - same GPU - same Neural chip - same RAM (8gb) - More storage for the Air (512gb vs 256gb with 13" Pro) - You get Touch Bar with 13" Pro So if you don't care about the Touch Bar, you actually get with the Air: - better specs - smaller device footprint - and $50 cheaper. Am I missing something?

Air only has passive cooling; Pro has a fan.

So the Pro should be able to maintain higher clock speeds for longer, is the assumption?
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