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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by crazygringo »

api wrote: post #8
SamuelAdams wrote: post #6

Super interesting how they kept the touchbar on the Macbook Pro keyboard but not on the Air. As a software developer, I'm going to be more likely to buy an Air just due to the keyboard.

Has anyone ever seen anyone use the Touch Bar? Like really use it?

It was designed for, and is widely used by, the graphics and audio professionals crowd.

The ability to use touch sliders, filmstrips, etc. is a huge boon.

It just gets a ton of hate here on HN because obviously there's very little overlap between the populations.

A lot of people forget that "Pro" has never referred to software professionals, it's always referred to multimedia professionals.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by afandian »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #354

Straw poll: I need a new development machine, price is not an object but it has to be a Mac. Should I buy this new M1 or go with the Intel 16 inch MBP? My gut says there’s going to be a year or two of cross-compilation nightmares. I do a lot of Docker-based development. Wondering what everyone else thinks?

I sometimes wonder what the overhead of Docker costs on a Mac. The fact that you have to run a whole linux VM, with guest OS, then send data back and forth over that, especially with volume mapping. I'm sure it can be quantified over running linux directly on the same hardware.

My machine (MacBook Pro 13-inch, 2018, 2.7 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3) often runs screaming hot (with screaming fans too), when I only have a browser, zoom, docker and IntelliJ running, and I wonder what went wrong.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by TechBro8615 »

dstick wrote: post #366
TechBro8615 wrote: post #354

Straw poll: I need a new development machine, price is not an object but it has to be a Mac. Should I buy this new M1 or go with the Intel 16 inch MBP? My gut says there’s going to be a year or two of cross-compilation nightmares. I do a lot of Docker-based development. Wondering what everyone else thinks?

Go for the 16 inch. I’ve upgraded from my 2015 model (couldn’t stand the butterfly keys) and the wait was worth it! Great keyboard, physical escape key, 16 threads, large screen - great machine. It took them 5 years to get there so don’t get your hopes up for this new one ;-)

Yeah, I think that’s what I’ll do. Although the 16” is bigger than I need; I wish they kept the 13” Intel lineup available.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by Matthias1 »

OJFord wrote: post #157
AnonHP wrote: post #140

Apple mentioned in the event that these Macs will have hardware verified secure boot. Since I’m not very knowledgeable in this area, can someone explain (or even try to guess) what this would/could mean for running Linux on these? I use Macs way beyond Apple’s support timeframe with OS X/macOS, and Linux is the one that runs on some of the older Macs and provides adequate security and security related software update…

I don't know the answer^, but how old is your current old Mac hardware? I don't know about the desktops, but Macbooks from 2016 are not well supported hardware-wise in Linux - things like no WiFi even. There was a good GitHub repo tracking it for up to I think the first touchbar Pro, and basically it was dismal then and only got worse (according to repo owner who consequently stopped bothering iirc). So.. depending w…

I have a MacBookPro15,2 (2019, with T2), on which I duel boot Arch Linux. It is perfectly usable. The hardware support is not great. In particular, resuming from suspend is very slow, and I haven't gotten the built-in mic to work. And getting the system to work did require using a patched Linux kernel installed from Github. So not easy, but possible.

Your claims about "dismal then and only got worse" are unfounded. The repository you refer to is still active. https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux If anything, activity has slowed down in these threads because it was figured out how to make it work.

Even among people who run Linux on these MacBooks, the general recommendation is to keep a macOS partition around for stability. Some of the value you get from any Apple computer is in the software. If you intend on instantly installing Linux or Windows as your only OS, this probably isn't the computer for you. But if you want to or have to use Linux sometimes, these T2-chip Macs can do it.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by TechBro8615 »

afandian wrote: post #372
TechBro8615 wrote: post #354

Straw poll: I need a new development machine, price is not an object but it has to be a Mac. Should I buy this new M1 or go with the Intel 16 inch MBP? My gut says there’s going to be a year or two of cross-compilation nightmares. I do a lot of Docker-based development. Wondering what everyone else thinks?

I sometimes wonder what the overhead of Docker costs on a Mac. The fact that you have to run a whole linux VM, with guest OS, then send data back and forth over that, especially with volume mapping. I'm sure it can be quantified over running linux directly on the same hardware. My machine (MacBook Pro 13-inch, 2018, 2.7 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3) often runs screaming hot (with screaming fans…

Yeah, it’s pretty crazy especially when you’ve got a bunch of bind mounts. My current machine is a 2013 MBA and after cumulative 100+ hours of fighting with docker over the years, I finally gave up and started using remote development in VSCode on a Linux server. That was a great decision.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by fastball »

dawnerd wrote: post #259
davio wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From MacBook Pro tech specs: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display at millions of colors and: One external display with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz Thunderbolt 3 digital video output Native DisplayPort output over USB-C VGA, HDMI, DVI, and Thunderbolt 2 output supported using adapters (sold separately)

That's disappointing. Dual 4k isn't that uncommon. Sounds like their chip isn't quite as powerful as they're leading on?

You run two 4k screens and the laptop screen itself from an existing 13" laptop?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by berkut »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #373
dstick wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go for the 16 inch. I’ve upgraded from my 2015 model (couldn’t stand the butterfly keys) and the wait was worth it! Great keyboard, physical escape key, 16 threads, large screen - great machine. It took them 5 years to get there so don’t get your hopes up for this new one ;-)

Yeah, I think that’s what I’ll do. Although the 16” is bigger than I need; I wish they kept the 13” Intel lineup available.

There are still some MBP-13 Intels (i5) with 4 Thunderbolt ports + more RAM still available I think?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by rplnt »

mFixman wrote: post #345
callamdelaney wrote: post #150

I'll be sticking with my 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13". Great machine, not too thin, heavy enough, no stupid touch screen, usb ports, great keyboard. Everything apple has done since hasn't compared.

You are missing out if you don't have 4 USB-C ports in both sides of your laptop. You can charge your laptop and connect a display with a single cable and without caring about putting the computer in the right direction.

Yeah, but the new MB Pro is a joke, again.

> And it features two Thunderbolt ports with USB 4 support to connect to more peripherals than ever,

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by fastball »

entropea wrote: post #153
davio wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From MacBook Pro tech specs: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display at millions of colors and: One external display with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz Thunderbolt 3 digital video output Native DisplayPort output over USB-C VGA, HDMI, DVI, and Thunderbolt 2 output supported using adapters (sold separately)

Am I reading right that it only supports one display output? I may be reading that incorrectly....

Presumably if you're not using the laptops screen it can drive two.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by geodel »

lostgame wrote: post #346
shrimpx wrote: post #323

The new Air looks good. The new mbp 13” not so much. If they’re going to lower the max ram they should at least provide an explanation why 16g in the new architecture is comparable to 32 in the previous, if that’s indeed the case.

16GB RAM max prevented me from an immediate purchase. Next year, when I can at least have 32GB and be somewhat future-proofed. That they are still selling new computers for $1000+ in 2020 with 8GB RAM as the default and 16GB of RAM max is a bad joke.

Dell XPS 1000+ 8GB, Lenovo X1: 1000+ 8GB, Thinkpad T14s 1000+ 8GB, this list could be long. Even System76 linux computers are 1000+ for 8GB config. I do not know where you got this idea that 1000+ laptop have 16GB default.

I am sure there will be consumer (crap) computers like HP pavilion, Dell inspiron etc where one can get 1000+ computer with 16GB or so RAM.

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