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How to revert HP printer’s ban on 3rd-party ink cartridges

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Re: How to revert HP printer’s ban on 3rd-party ink cartridges

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Post by bluGill »

javadocmd wrote: post #213
Unklejoe wrote: post #141

If all you need is black and white printing, there is no need to be buying HP inkjet printers anymore. Get yourself a Mine has been going strong for like 10 years now.

I wish the first thread I saw was this enthusiastic about Brother. I've got an HP delivering today because it sounded like the Linux driver support was more solid -- didn't see a mention of this proprietary cartridges nonsense. Mea culpa for not doing more research I guess.

The brother drivers are junk. However there is no reason to use them - the printers are completely standard and don't need drivers. Though in some cases it is some effort to figure out how to configure the printer.

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Post by mjevans »

gregmac wrote: post #195
SquishyPanda23 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, the inexpensive laser printers are amazing. But I do wonder whether this problem will continue to be specific to ink jet printers. It's easy enough to make a laser printer refuse to print with a third party cartridge. Many refrigerators do the same thing to prevent you from using third party water filters. I think this is a more general pattern than inkjet printers.

There is definitely lots of DRM-type stuff happening in laser printers, mostly on the higher end. It goes beyond just 3rd party, too. The best example I've heard from this was from {large-copier-manufacturer}. Someone (not an official dealer) in the middle east had purchased a truckload of copiers and cartridges in a fire sale from a business in the UK that was closing. They sold these copiers locally, of course unde…

If anyone knows of this mentioned by a credible source; I need to know whom to never support financially again.

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Post by noisem4ker »

takluyver wrote: post #149
rwl4 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that credit card fraud?

New printers often come with a trial of the manufacturer's subscription plan, which will automatically order ink when it's running low. I guess if you activate the subscription when it runs low, it will send a new cartridge straight away. This probably also works with a real card number if you just cancel the subscription before it starts charging. I'd assume that only works once per printer - or at least it's enough…

In HP's case, the cartridges will not work if the subscription has been cancelled.

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Post by edoceo »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #190
cnity wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these shill accounts? I've seen raving template-looking comments for Brother in every printer thread for the past few weeks. Get yourself a Edit: Sorry if I'm jumping the gun. Maybe they really are just great?

No, clicking through this thread and the big threads [1] [2] in the past 5 days, commenters mentioning "Brother laser" have much more than 100,000 combined karma and most of the accounts are 3+ years old. With a history like Brother's, and awful competitors like HP and Canon inkjets, you too can get free, genuine endorsements in the form of raving comments for your brand on HN. I'd also happily endorse my Fluke multi…

Fluke and Wiha FTW!

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Post by capableweb »

carapace wrote: post #144
bonoboTP wrote: post #74

Mine doesn't have the allow downgrades option I think. But this worked for me: > "Unplug printer’s power cord from the back of the printer Press and HOLD the power button Plug power cord back in (keep holding power button) The HP logo will appear then the screen will go blank Hold power button for 10 seconds and then release it Press HOME BUTTON ONCE (top left) Press RETURN/BACK ARROW ONCE (bottom left) Press HOME BU…

Just throw it out already, sheesh.

And now there is plastic in our oceans and deep underground. Strange how that happened really.

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Post by fl0wenol »

drtillberg wrote: post #14
a012 wrote: post #10

Most of printer drivers are BS. I also bought a printer after lockdown, and had to spent hours to do research on the printer model that's interested me: Mac & linux compatible. The result is Brother is the most reliable and less BS than the rest printers. In the end, I bought a wireless Brother printer, and you can throw whatever cartridge in to it.

Linux support for HP requires some HP daemon running at all times and in my experience fails in edge cases where a standard Linux integration would not. I also don't like their logo on my Linux task bar, no one else requires that to make a printer 'go'. Recently got a Xerox, it's better.

HP's out-of-the-box instructions are terrible and assume your printer might not be on your network. Any JetDirect-enabled HP printer requires no local process/service on your workstations or other devices. You just throw PS/PCL at port 9100, or maybe IPP at 631, and install a reasonably-recent PPD for your printer's model line (this is the point of installing hplip from your distro). There isn't a driver per-se as the OS is responsible for creating the postscript and/or PCL from your document, just as it would for making a PDF. If you can't install a PPD you can just manually set the capabilities (duplex, highest PS version, resolution, tray sizes) in the native print UI, like for a mobile device

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Post by throwaway314156 »

dangus wrote: post #214
Unklejoe wrote: post #141

If all you need is black and white printing, there is no need to be buying HP inkjet printers anymore. Get yourself a Mine has been going strong for like 10 years now.

This is the most annoying trope. Yes, I want color printing. Why wouldn’t I want color printing? I feel like the “black and white brother laser” attitude is like buying a car with no air conditioning because you’ll save five hundred bucks off the sticker price. The reason to choose inkjet: 1. Black and white sucks 2. Color lasers are huge and don’t really save money on toner vs. ink for typical home users. My current…

> Color lasers are huge

Since all the praise here has been for Brother laser printers, I went looking for the cheapest B&W and color laser printers they offer. That would be the HLL2300D and HLL3210CW respectively. The first one is 14.0" W x 14.2" D x 7.2" H, while the second one is 16.1” W x 18.1” D x 9.9” H. So it's 2 inches wider, 4 inches longer, and 3 inches taller. Doesn't seem that much bigger to me:

https://comparesizes.com/saved/CompareSizes_HLL2300D_vs_HLL3...

> and don’t really save money on toner vs. ink for typical home users.

At the very least, toner cartridges drying out isn't really a thing.

>If you want all that with a color laser you end up with a monstrosity in your house.

Your HP OfficeJet 9015 has official dimensions of 17.3" x 20.46" x 10.94". The Brother MFC9340CDW also has a scanner with ADF with auto-duplex (and does it in one pass, actually), and auto-duplex printing. Its dimensions are 16.1" x 19.0" x 16.1". So it's true that the color laser is taller. However, it has a smaller footprint, which is what matters for most people when trying to situate a printer.

One feature that your OfficeJet does not have that I appreciate (and this Brother AIO has) is a manual feed slot, which lets me skip the rigamarole of emptying the paper tray, fiddling with the tray to fit the envelope or whatever custom paper I'm using, printing, and then reversing what I previously did. That likely contributes at least a little bit to the height.

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