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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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IDE + VMs + office + slack + zoom etc

I don't see this issue having IntelliJ, Xcode, VSCode, Slack, Discord, and more open simultaneously on a continuous issue...with 16 GB of RAM. I'm somewhat impressed by some of these stories about RAM usage - what are people doing?

Debugging Ember or Spring applications.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Have they said anything about hyperkit on the new platform? And being able to run stuff like Docker for Mac? I've seen lots said about the lack of Bootcamp support but I've actually never even used Bootcamp, Linux VMS are much more relevant for me and I imagine many other developers.

Do you want to run a Linux/x86_64 VM or a Linux/aarch64 one ?

Well if I get to choose then I might as well ask for both.

But ultimately I don't really care, I just want to `docker run postgres:latest` to develop web and mobile applications against against, and build a Dockerfile to be able to run a server-side ruby, python, java, go, etc. app locally for development.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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post #59

Super interesting how they kept the touchbar on the Macbook Pro keyboard but not on the Air. As a software developer, I'm going to be more likely to buy an Air just due to the keyboard.

They kept the touch bar but it seems that they added (back) a physical Esc key, isn't that the most criticized missing key? Which other key do you miss now that Esc is back?

The lock button is super sensitive and prone to being pressed when hitting backspace.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Straw poll: I need a new development machine, price is not an object but it has to be a Mac. Should I buy this new M1 or go with the Intel 16 inch MBP?

My gut says there’s going to be a year or two of cross-compilation nightmares. I do a lot of Docker-based development. Wondering what everyone else thinks?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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post #78

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Not all RAM is created equally. Better memory management means less RAM can be better than more RAM. Pair that with superfast flash storage for SWAP and you might not even be able to tell the difference between 16 and 32. Besides, this release cycle is 100% optimized for an impressive speed boost, tempered by a need for a more impressive battery life. The proof will be in the pudding.Time will tell.

Yes that's true, for the "average consumer" that really only needs that RAM to power the 100+ browser tabs they have open. But if you're doing lots of virtualization or containerized work, super fast SWAP isn't going to cut it.

I no longer code so I'm probably close to the 'average consumer' now. I personally consider 32GB to be the minimum amout of RAM that anyone should consider in 2020,2021 (with obvious caveats on money). My multi-GB workloads are read-heavy and include loading multi-GB games, editing hundreds of RAW images, opening 50+ tabs, etc, all without leaving the cosy confines of my RAM - which I still sometimes do. I have a 100GB system commit limit on my W10 box, and with my current usage pattern, I hit about 50GB @ peak.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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post #40

Super interesting how they kept the touchbar on the Macbook Pro keyboard but not on the Air. As a software developer, I'm going to be more likely to buy an Air just due to the keyboard.

as a software dev who went for air before the current gen of pro macbooks with hardware esc, dont do it the air is really sluggish for anything but the lightest of tasks. there was even extremely noticeable latency using gmail.com

There's a noticeable latency using gmail.com on my iMac Pro, too.

I've always used powerful desktops (Mac Pro, iMac Pro) and MacBook Airs while traveling, and while the Airs aren't very good for video games like StarCraft II, I've never had a problem with performance while doing anything else (I work in VS Code on TypeScript). My unit tests run in ~20 seconds on the MacBook Air as well as the iMac Pro.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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The new Air looks good. The new mbp 13” not so much. If they’re going to lower the max ram they should at least provide an explanation why 16g in the new architecture is comparable to 32 in the previous, if that’s indeed the case.

16GB RAM max prevented me from an immediate purchase. Next year, when I can at least have 32GB and be somewhat future-proofed. That they are still selling new computers for $1000+ in 2020 with 8GB RAM as the default and 16GB of RAM max is a bad joke.

My T460 has had 32GB in it for years now... can't even imagine going back to 16GB with all this electron bullcrap

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Apple has been getting trashed lately by developers for how hot and loud their macbooks get. You can tell how much focus they put on cooling in this presentation. The macbook air literally doesn't even have a fan!

Wasn't the latest Intel-based MacBook Air fanless as well?

No; I have one. (Perhaps you're thinking of the 12-inch Macbook, which was fanless, and which they stopped manufacturing a year ago.) And I go to extremes to keep the fan from spinning up: using Turbo Boost Switcher, and/or running a program that repeatedly does the equivalent of "kill -STOP" and "kill -CONT" to a process, hundreds of times per second, to force it to use less CPU.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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post #140

Apple mentioned in the event that these Macs will have hardware verified secure boot. Since I’m not very knowledgeable in this area, can someone explain (or even try to guess) what this would/could mean for running Linux on these? I use Macs way beyond Apple’s support timeframe with OS X/macOS, and Linux is the one that runs on some of the older Macs and provides adequate security and security related software update…

It means that you need to find a vulnerability in bootloader and exploit it to break free from Apple secure garden. Linux works on ARM for years, so I'm sure that it won't be impossible to port it over, but whether enthusiasts will do it or not is another question, as you would need to write drivers for proprietary GPU and storage to make it useful.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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I'll be sticking with my 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13". Great machine, not too thin, heavy enough, no stupid touch screen, usb ports, great keyboard. Everything apple has done since hasn't compared.

You are missing out if you don't have 4 USB-C ports in both sides of your laptop. You can charge your laptop and connect a display with a single cable and without caring about putting the computer in the right direction.

My 2017 13” Pro (no touch at) has two USBC ports, both on the same side. It is annoying. Especially after it turned out there is a design flaw in the 2017 Pros where charging on one side tends to trash your battery - guess which side both ports are on?

It’s nice to only have to plug in one cable when I dock it at my desk but I would have greatly preferred not having to replace the battery twice in the three years I owned it due to this. Especially since only one replacement was covered under the warranty thanks to the ‘rona shutting down all the authorized service centers in my city.

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