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Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable Mac computers

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Post by romanovcode »

qaq wrote: post #70
_ph_ wrote: post #41

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As one has a fan and the other not, they are probably clocked differently and the cooled one might sustain full power infinitely. The pro also has a larger battery, better speakers and microphones and the touch bar.

"and the touch bar" that is not exactly a selling point :)

Yeah, haha. This was the reason I actually got Air instead of Pro last year.

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Post by romanovcode »

hrktb wrote: post #124
romanovcode wrote: post #26

I don't get it. If we have same CPU on MacbookAir and MacbookPro - why would I get more expensive "Pro"? Can someone explain how is Pro faster than Air with same CPU? Also, the "Windows Guy" bit is a bit lame IMO. I have two MacBooks and one custom built PC. The PC is faster than both MacBooks combined.

Seems that you’ll also need the Pro to get 16Gb of RAM or 1~2To SSD

No way, the current Air has 16gb ram.

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Post by noneeeed »

culopatin wrote: post #483
noncoml wrote: post #273

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I think they got it wrong. I would pay money to NOT have the touchbar.

As someone using a hackintosh considering a real Macbook, what's so wrong about it?

For me it hides the things I use all the time (media and volume controls) to make room for application specific controls that I never use.

If it was more customisable I wouldn't mind it, but the apparant inability to force it to show me the things I actually want is annoying.

I can imagine there are some people for whom the application specific buttons are useful, but for me they are not worth it for what they displace.

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Post by dschuler »

beervirus wrote: post #457
dschuler wrote: post #352

The most important feature of an M1-based Mac will likely be OS support into the distant future. I'm still using a 2012 rMBP, which was the first-gen retina version, and it's held up much better than any other computer I've ever bought, partly due to OS support into 2020. I imagine Apple will stand behind this new generation for a long time as well. The new M1 SOCs max out at 16GB RAM, which seems like a major limita…

It sucks that the SSD is (presumably) not upgradeable anymore. Apple generally charges a ton for the larger SSD offerings, but it used to be that you could just buy a base model and replace the thing later.

Apple positions itself as being on the side of the consumer, and while they never really justified their soldered-down RAM (on laptops), one _might_ argue that it reduced failure rates. It's interesting that IBM discovered that soldering RAM to the individual compute modules in the Blue Gene/L (ca. 2004-2007) did improve reliability, in part because they had 2^16 modules in one cluster. I don't really buy that argument for laptop RAM, and especially not for SSDs, but I'm not sure if there's anything that can push back against Apple other than plain old competition, which they're trying to distance themselves from as much as possible, of course.

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Post by tw04 »

culopatin wrote: post #483
noncoml wrote: post #273

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I think they got it wrong. I would pay money to NOT have the touchbar.

As someone using a hackintosh considering a real Macbook, what's so wrong about it?

For me at least (and I'd imagine most of the other folks who hate it) - I had the key layout memorized. If I wanted to volume up/down/mute I could do it without taking my eyes off the screen. With the touchbar ANYTHING I wanted to do required me to change my focus to the touchbar - for the benefit of...?

I'm sure someone somewhere finds it amazing, but I have no time for it.

To me it's no different than volume controls in a car. I've been in a cadillac with a touchbar for volume, and a new ram truck with a volume knob - there's absolutely no room for debate in my opinion. One of these allows me to instantly change the volume 100% up or down without taking my eyes off the road. The other requires hoping I get my finger in just the right spot from muscle memory and swipe enough times since there's 0 tactile feedback.

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Post by dang »

All: there are multiple pages of comments; if you're curious to read them, click More at the bottom of the page, or like this:

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Post by Aperocky »

harha wrote: post #507

Is there any information on what type of software will run? Will it run things like R, Julia, Postgres, Docker (which I can work with reasonably well on my late 2013 MBP) and will we see any of the speed improvements or will some of the packages that work fairly well on the Intel-based models just not work?

I'm sure a good amount of things won't work on ARM the first time around.

But I also think they'll be fixed quickly. RIP my dependency packages...

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Post by nottorp »

jamil7 wrote: post #475
nottorp wrote: post #469

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You think the iOS version of Slack is native?

Yeah fairly certain it is, despite not feeling that way from a UX perspective.

Yeah that's why I was asking, I use it and it doesn't feel native :)

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Post by jes5199 »

culopatin wrote: post #483
noncoml wrote: post #273

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I think they got it wrong. I would pay money to NOT have the touchbar.

As someone using a hackintosh considering a real Macbook, what's so wrong about it?

It's just not useful. The context-aware stuff is too unpredictable, and I'm never looking at the keyboard anyway so I have never learned it. So the touchbar ends up being just a replacement for the volume and brightness keys, but a slow and non-tactile version of them

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Post by technimad »

kmonsen wrote: post #474
noncoml wrote: post #273

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I think they got it wrong. I would pay money to NOT have the touchbar.

I got one of the MBP with the touchbar this year after holding out for many years (changed jobs so had to change laptop). Man it is so much hard to do the volume changes, and there has so far for me been zero benefit.

Did you notice you can hold and slide to change volume? You don’t need to hit the volume slider where it appears. Same with brightness. Totally undiscoverable gesture.
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