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Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable Mac computers

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Which makes it worse, Intel Macs look appealing than these.

Depends what you need it for I guess, and how much differently ARM uses RAM than Intel. Anyone know? Also how much OS X optimisation can help with that. The iPad Pro is a lot faster than most laptops with, what, 6gb memory? And iPhones always seem to have a lot less RAM than Samsung phones but still run faster.

It's mostly the same, perhaps a little bit less.

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The most important feature of an M1-based Mac will likely be OS support into the distant future. I'm still using a 2012 rMBP, which was the first-gen retina version, and it's held up much better than any other computer I've ever bought, partly due to OS support into 2020. I imagine Apple will stand behind this new generation for a long time as well.

The new M1 SOCs max out at 16GB RAM, which seems like a major limitation, but the timing and latency of this integrated RAM is probably much better than what you could otherwise achieve. Meanwhile, improved SSD performance will probably have a larger impact on the whole system. I remember when I bought a 15k RPM hard drive ca. 2005 - it was like a new computer. Upgrading the slowest part of the storage hierarchy made the largest difference.

One slight disappointment in the Mac mini is the removal of two USB C / Thunderbolt ports and no option for 10G ethernet vs. the Intel model. An odd set of limitations in 2020.

Overall, at the price they're offering the Mac mini (haven't really considered the other models for myself), I think it's ok to take the plunge.

- Sent from my Dell hackintosh

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They can probably out perform them, but only for a few seconds/minutes. That's why they put a fan in the pro.

Which actually sounds like a good fit for a dev machine, where you only compile once in a while, but do not sustain high loads

looks at 1-hour compile-test runs on a threadripper yes, of course, great fit.

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Also no more 10G ethernet.

And no way to buy a previous Mini with 10Gbe/64GB now either?... (from Apple)

Getting one via their refurbished store is an option, if you're lucky and they have what you want: https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/mac-mini

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8GB and 16GB configurations seem more than enough..

16gb can be limiting for some work flows today, and doesn't give you much future proofing (this RAM is permanent, right?)

Yes, it's in the SoC (or SiP now).

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Max 16GB of RAM on these new machines is really not that great to be honest. The mini supported up to 64GB before.

I bought a Mac mini 2 weeks ago and I was sweating when they announced the new Mac mini, not anymore now that its only max 16GB. Apple has effectively killed expandable storage and memory in all of their line up. No doubt in the future they will offer larger memory options when they release the 16" Macbook pro. Need 32GB a year later down the road for your mini? Just buy a new one!

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Completely unconfirmed speculation incoming: There's a solid chance that the logic board is exactly the same on all of the Macs announced today and the only difference is the cooling solution. If you play around with the Apple Store configurator, the specs are all suspiciously similar between every new Mac. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-air https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch https://w…

This makes sense.

Most likely this is why the CPUs are all limited to 16GB. It's likely when they unwrap the 16 inch MacBook Pro, it will open up more configurations (more RAM in particular!) for the 13" MacBook Pro and hopefully the mini.

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Yes, they have an Intel emulator (Rosetta I think they called it) and are pushing developers to produce "universal apps".

Here’s more details on Rosetta: https://www.theverge.com/21304182/apple-arm-mac-rosetta-2-em... It actually depends on the app and what it’s doing. For example they said photoshop wouldn’t be available on it until early 2021.

They said Photoshop won't be available as a universal binary until 2021. It wasn't clear if it would run on Rosetta 2 in the meantime.

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8GB and 16GB configurations seem more than enough..

Don’t touch Xcode then, it welcomes you to paging hell.

With that fast SSD, do you notice paging in Xcode? Would it be worth the extra $300 or however much Apple asks for extra 8GB of ram in the US store?

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And it costs an extra €224 to go from 8 to 16gb. This is ridiculously expensive.

Any option in Euros is about 30% more expensive than buying the same in the US or Hong Kong (which is pretty crummy, but possibly related to taxes and the cost of doing business in the EU). EDIT: I don't mean VAT/sales tax, I've considered sales taxes in the comparison, but also exchange rates of $1.18/1€. The difference is almost exactly 30%. It looks like the cost of doing business in the EU is much higher, and/or…

Most of the US priced don't include tax... Eu prices include vat...
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