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Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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Post by forest_dweller »

Robin_Message wrote: post #95
collyw wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't it used in an Iranian election as evidence of shenanigans? >So there, we've spoken about it. You seem to have given your opinion without wanting anyone else to give theirs. Why are you so against discussing it?

Yes, from the paper "A first-digit anomaly in the 2009 Iranian presidential election" ( https://arxiv.org/pdf/0906.2789.pdf ): "The total numbers of votes per voting area in the MOI’s data vary from about 10^4 to 10^6, i.e. by two orders of magnitude (powers of 10). This suggests that Benford’s Law may be applicable" The issue, as I understand it, is that the US districts that the "law" is being applied to are too sm…

Most of the images that involve the graphs are just memeing. I have a Discord with a bunch of users and for want of a better term people are just shit posting them.

Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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Post by zaphar »

steinuil wrote: post #98
zaphar wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stars option will switch back automatically though after some period of time, which is why I switched to https://tweetdeck.twitter.com for my interface.

If you switch back enough times it will stop trying. Same with other things like suggested tweets in your notifications or likes from others, if you see those just click on the top right arrow on the option that says I'm not interested and after a few days it will stop showing them.

Yeah that's too much effort to turn off a feature. I spent over a year trying to keep it off. To the point I actually scheduled a recurring event in my calendar to check and turn it off.

I'll stick with tweetdeck until they support a real offswitch.

Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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Post by forest_dweller »

kemonocode wrote: post #106

My main issue with all these platforms supposedly being born to defend "free speech" is that they're a reactionist measure from certain ideas being deemed inappropriate by the common populace, so it's less about all kinds of free speech and more about protecting their speech. I'm convinced that no centralized platform is able to provide true free speech and even if it does, people should not be denied of the benefits…

> My main issue with all these platforms supposedly being born to defend "free speech" is that they're a reactionist measure from certain ideas being deemed inappropriate by the common populace, so it's less about all kinds of free speech and more about protecting their speech.

Protecting your free speech also protects everyone elses. Typically you can post whatever you like on these plaforms. 4chan is always derided because of the infamous /pol (which tbh is mostly people just trolling) but they never talk about the LGBT channels.

The issue with the large platforms is that they are interfering with people discussions based on what they think is best and they frequently get it wrong. This can be not understanding the irony or not understanding a "shitpost" or they don't understand regional customs. Recently a diner was censored for using the word "faggots". Faggots are a dish in the UK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/woman-adverti...

Also I don't consider parler to be free speech platform. They have removed people for certain posts normally anime breats and other forms of shitposting. Nonetheless it isn't a free speech platform.

Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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Post by forest_dweller »

tyingq wrote: post #37

Do they really want just an echo chamber though? As I understand it they are catering to the far right. Some of the fun they have on FB or Twitter is probably arguing, feeling controversial, etc.

Parler isn't catering to the far-right. They are catering for conservatives and other right leaning individuals.

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Post by rchaud »

jcriddle4 wrote: post #60
Havoc wrote: post #20

Ominous that the social networks are splitting along these lines

So given 68 million USA twitter users, if this rate continues, it wouldn't take long to get half the USA switched over. I am assuming most of the new users are USA. I suspect a fair number will use both systems for awhile. There could also be events like say a famous person moving over or being forced to move over that could result in even higher switching rates.

That assumes people use Twitter solely for politics. It's a social media app, people are on there to look at animal videos, celebrity gossip, answer dumb polls etc.

Parler's growth is happening directly due to the impact of the election, and Twitter adding disclaimers to claims of ballot interference. It won't continue at this rate, because besides political kinship, there is nothing there for users to do. Nobody enjoys the political zones of Twitter, unless they're 'dunking' on the opposition. On Parler, there is no opposition.

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Post by rusk »

zaphar wrote: post #112
steinuil wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you switch back enough times it will stop trying. Same with other things like suggested tweets in your notifications or likes from others, if you see those just click on the top right arrow on the option that says I'm not interested and after a few days it will stop showing them.

Yeah that's too much effort to turn off a feature. I spent over a year trying to keep it off. To the point I actually scheduled a recurring event in my calendar to check and turn it off. I'll stick with tweetdeck until they support a real offswitch.

Does tweetdeck handle threads properly? I tried a few different 3p clients but found them all lacking. Just gave up then and just used the web client every now and again.

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Post by inglor_cz »

pjc50 wrote: post #91
thu2111 wrote: post #87

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It's not exactly the same but this article talks about a gay guy being banned for (supposedly) pointing out that there are very non-binary people in the world, and objecting to the idea that language should be changed to accomodate them: https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2019/10/19/t... The article quotes some of his tweets on the topic.

Are we absolutely sure that's what he was banned for? Twitter makes it very unclear, there isn't a "[user was banned for posting this tweet]" report. Given their failure to ban glinner for far worse stuff I suspect there's something else going on.

This vague arbitrariness is another problem. "We just dropped a hammer on you, bye."

This drives people to paranoia.

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Post by goatmeal »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #102

I just read about this "alternative" here, so whats the benefit of joining this instead of a mastodon instance which has probably better moderation and community support other than the cool factor ?

for cultural reasons I don't fully understand yet, mastodon instances are becoming the type of places where the word "stupid" is an ableist slur, among other examples of extremely heavy-handed moderation. at this point I don't understand who mastodon is for besides the small community vibe. this doesn't match up with the culture of pleroma instances, where anything goes. pleroma also uses activitypub and the instances do sometimes federate with mastodon but most of the mastodon instances have a very long blacklist.

I don't think that enough people are ready for the concept of federated social networking since they still tend to gravitate heavily towards centralized services like parler. they're more familiar.

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Post by technoplato »

supjeff wrote: post #35
technoplato wrote: post #21

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Obvious and dead horse beaten issue. I’m working on solving this and will report here when I’ve got a prototype. Surprising insights arise from pondering the philosophy of show and tell-specifically how listening is involved in order to “earn” your turn to speak.

> Obvious and dead horse beaten issue. I’m working on solving this and will report here when I’ve got a prototype. Surprising insights arise from pondering the philosophy of show and tell-specifically how listening is involved in order to “earn” your turn to speak. Do you ever look at what you've written and ask yourself: "Would somebody else understand this"? Could you say it again, but using enough words this time?

It was very early in the morning. Apologies for being obscure.

When platforms ban assholes and other platforms arise in the guise of decreasing censorship, said assholes flock to new platforms and infest them a la Ruqqus (though I believe the developer/founders have positive intent)

We need more clever ways of finding the assholes. I mentioned show and tell in my comment above. When you think about how show and tell works, you must earn your right to show and that works fairly well, even when you scale the idea. Does that make more sense?

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Post by totony »

leppr wrote: post #107
danpalmer wrote: post #26

I think that all these platforms: Parler, Gab, etc, will end up with one of two fates. They'll either fail to make it big and remain a niche thing for those trolls who enjoy the edginess, like 4chan and its newer alternatives, or... They'll grow big and end up having to deal with "trust and safety" issues when the majority of users on the mainstream end of the spectrum demand protection from those users who would oth…

I agree that these mechanics will always play out at scale, unless users are in charge of moderation/curation/governance. Successful cases in point: Discord: Closed bubbles, users in absolute control of entry and moderation. Still going strong. 8chan: Open bubbles, users in absolute control of moderation. You also had conservative alt-right and LGBTQ communities, cleanly separated, mostly just ignoring each other. On…

8chan had some administration problems too which didn't help them stay afloat
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